Budgie Smuggler

[christian]

Now, really people, who actually likes riding with someone in Budgie Smugglers. Not that I'm down on the whole Smuggler thing, well maybe just a little, but lets see what everyone else thinks. Of course, we don't have to take this seriously.

[Julio]

If it makes people less serious with life then why not show some skin. There were some great cat calls the other day where we had women from newtown to redfern yelling their approval hehe

[weiyun]

I think we need to consciously differentiate BS riding b/n private rides and club rides. When we are with the club, appearance and behaviour has more implications than just the individual. Further, I am not aware of any officially sanctioned association b/n commercially based BS Pty Ltd and DHBC. One off stunt is a good laugh while anything more regular should be better thought through, especially on the main Sunday club ride.

[mikesbytes]

I recon Christian would look pretty good in budgie smugglers

[weiyun]

It's Budgy Smuggler.

PS. There's even an explanation for the odd spelling on their web site.

[christian]

The only time you would catch me in such swim wear would be doing laps in a pool. After all, its swim wear not cycle wear.

And I agree with Weiyun, they shouldn't be worn on the regular rides, only on specially arranged rides. I don't believe its a good look for the club.

[NOOG]

I don't believe its a good look for the club.

Or for whoever has your wheel when you're wearing them

[orphic]

Not a fan myself. I would hope that no one would turn up to a ride wearing them without prior arrangement. I can't tell anyone what they can or can't wear, but I can choose not to ride with them.

[G]

The only time you would catch me in such swim wear would be doing laps in a pool. After all, its swim wear not cycle wear.

I think you are missing that it is also a triathlon wear, and many pro triathletes race in them for their obvious advantages. Following is one of the World Ironman Champion triathlete:

And I agree with Weiyun, they shouldn't be worn on the regular rides, only on specially arranged rides. I don't believe its a good look for the club.

I don't think DHBC must be limited to track and road racing and exclude triathletes training in their race gear for their big days?!
Anyway, the budgy smuggler ride has always been a pre announced ride, and we would love you to join us next time. I would even sponsor a pair in your favourite colour/design. Or we can have a poll?

[weiyun]

I think you are missing that it is also a triathlon wear, and many pro triathletes race in them for their obvious advantages...

I don't think DHBC must be limited to track and road racing and exclude triathletes training in their race gear for their big days?!

As far as I know, drafting isn't allowed in triathlons. Maybe that's for a reason. Otherwise based on my observations, triathlete club riders in CP are all neatly and conservatively dressed and those serious guys/gals tend to train solo. In any case, TT bikes are generally not permitted in road bunches for safety reasons.

To change the focus of DHBC will likely require an AGM decision and IIRC, they are held around April/May. Might need to consider a motion well beforehand.

[weiyun]

...we would love you to join us next time. I would even sponsor a pair in your favourite colour/design. Or we can have a poll?

Please, no more of these BS color/design polls!

Any individual riding in hard core BS is obviously a confident individual and able to make standalone decisions. So what's the need to have others tell on him/her what colour to wear? It doesn't make sense. For the clueless, a random draw is just as good in reaching a desirable endpoint as a poll.

[Stuart]

I don't think DHBC must be limited to track and road racing and exclude triathletes training in their race gear for their big days?!

I am yet to see any other cyclists / triathletes "training" in swimming gear on any ride or at CP. I think they belong in the surf, in the pool and probably in triathlon RACES.

My thoughts would be that DHBC stands for Dulwich Hill Bicycle Club, not Dulwich Hill Bicycle, Running and Swimming Club ... There are plenty of triathlon clubs - DHBC does cycling. I would also agree with Christian that it's not a great look for the club. We are also, as has been previously pointed out, becoming indirectly involved and associated with advertising / promotion for a company that we may not wish to be so closely associated with.

Lastly, I think rides in swimwear should be promoted on the Australian Cycling Forums, rather than on the DHBC forum in particular. Reach out ....

[G]

I am yet to see any other cyclists / triathletes "training" in swimming gear on any ride or at CP. I think they belong in the surf, in the pool and probably in triathlon RACES.

My thoughts would be that DHBC stands for Dulwich Hill Bicycle Club, not Dulwich Hill Bicycle, Running and Swimming Club ... There are plenty of triathlon clubs - DHBC does cycling. I would also agree with Christian that it's not a great look for the club. We are also, as has been previously pointed out, becoming indirectly involved and associated with advertising / promotion for a company that we may not wish to be so closely associated with.

Lastly, I think rides in swimwear should be promoted on the Australian Cycling Forums, rather than on the DHBC forum in particular. Reach out ....

Stuart,
I don't understand wot you are trying to say by highlighting that DHBC is not a swimming or running club. It is more of an inclusive club rather than an exclusively cyclist club. Also, Australian Cycling forum doesn't say you shouldn't smuggle budgie on bike. Even the coppers gave a smile and thumbs-up of approval to the smugglers on Saturday's ride. How often does a cyclist gets that kind of respek from police? ... and here you were worried about club's image!

If you think calling the occasional ride as budgy smuggler ride is indirect advertising, we can call it banana hammock ride hey?

[G]

Please, no more of these BS color/design polls!

Any individual riding in hard core BS is obviously a confident individual and able to make standalone decisions. So what's the need to have others tell on him/her what colour to wear? It doesn't make sense. For the clueless, a random draw is just as good in reaching a desirable endpoint as a poll.

If you reckon we should have a random draw for Christian, then go ahead and do the draw.

[weiyun]

If you reckon we should have a random draw for Christian, then go ahead and do the draw.

I am suggesting that you can do the draw off line. No need to crowd the forum with near identical threads bearing the same BS title.

[G]

I am saying you can do your draws off line. No need to crowd the forum with repeated threads bearing that BS title.

There are all sorts of things discussed about Christian like the Christmas party at his house, and the dress he'd wear etc, then why not this? If you have anything against the budgy smuggler brand, we can put budgie smugglers in title instead. Budgie smuggler is Chinese slang for swimmers iniit? I don't care about the brand. I will sponsor speedos or anyother brand that forum decides.

[weiyun]

There are all sorts of things discussed about Christian like the Christmas party at his house, and the dress he'd wear etc, then why not this?

1) There's no commercial implication in Christian's cross dressing.

2) It was kept to one thread.

If you have anything against the budgy smuggler brand, we can put budgie smugglers in title instead. Budgie smuggler is Chinese slang for swimmers iniit? I don't care about the brand. I will sponsor speedos or anyother brand that forum decides.

Don't waffle! "Budgie Smuggler" has no Chinese link so let's keep ethnic and language matters out of this!

[mod] G. DHBC is a club for all members and it's evident from this thread that repeated Budgy Smuggler promotion has started to irritate and offend both named and anonymous members (possibly a majority). The fact is, we all know you are extroverted but unfortunately not all can take it. So how about let the subject cool a bit or do it in private? Thanks. [/mod]

[T-Bone]

Well, if you're going to bring the triathlon argument into it, then as you know triathlon australia/nsw requires you to wear a top when racing, so the training in race gear argument doesn't stand if you're not wearing a top. Secondly and as has already been mentioned there is no drafting in triathlons, and people don't want to be looking at a thin bit of material covering someones backside (see porno knicks for a better understanding ).

When i was doing triathlons, the only time i would train in swimwear was when swimming was involved, otherwise it was the most suitable clothing for the activity, knicks and jersey for cycling, shorts and singlet for running.

I don't think people really care if you do a budgy smuggler ride once in a while, just not all the time, and really it's not that suitable for the sunday ride. If you look at the poll, you will notice where the majority stand.

Lastly, Budgy Smugglers have now been banned from the fast bunch (subject to a vote)!!

[G]

Don't waffle! "Budgie Smuggler" has no Chinese link so let's keep ethnic and language matters out of this!

FYI, Budgie smuggler is Australian slang for men's swimmers and not a brand name. Since we all know that China is going to takeover the world and Australia will become part of China, it is fair to say it is Chinese slang. Basically, budgie smuggler is neither a brand nor promotion. We can use the word "speedos" instead, but that is a brand.

[weiyun]

Lastly, Budgy Smugglers have now been banned from the fast bunch (subject to a vote)!!

Does DHBC charter have anything on rider dress code? Or perhaps it's covered under bunch riding etiquette.

Otherwise to date I've experienced snot rockets and head sweats flying downwind. Adding body sweat and visual cues to the mix would significantly magnify the unpleasantness.

[weiyun]

[mod] G. For the second time, please do not further aggravate this subject with baseless, illogical and irrelevant waffles. [/mod]

[jimmy]

I seem to remember someone mentioning to me a while ago, that some clubs have a certain dress code for club events, be it racing, or training.

If you look closer, you find that it filters down from the UCI, we are subject to Cycling Australia Rules, and they are pretty much based on UCI regulations.

You will find that one of those regulations require you to wear a jersey with sleeves. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a similar requirement for below the waist as well. Hence the reason that Cipollini had to go through a wardrobe change before the prologue in some races, and he was often fined for riding outside of team kit.

As far as I am concerned, Saturday Slowies, and the Sunday rides are official club events, therefore you should make every effort to be in Club kit. I know that we aren't as strict as some clubs for riding in team kit, and lot of current members don't have jerseys, but you should make the effort to look part of the club as best you can.

Pretty much whenever I ride south on Sunday, be it solo or part of the club, I will always wear my DHBC jersey and black nix. That way if I meet up with other riders, I am in club uniform.

Personally, I don't think that swimwear has a place on the bike other than in triathlon races. As I stated before G, when you said that you were going to wear BG's on a RNP ride, you're welcome to, but you're not going to be riding with me. I have no issues with guys wearing the swimwear they prefer at the beach, pool, or swimming hole of your choice, but I see no reason for you to wear it at other places other than because you are extroverted.

my 2 cents.

James

[shrubb face]

Well said jimmy.

[christian]

I seem to have opened a whole can of worms here. And for the record I do not cross dress. I also agree with what Jimmy has said.

[G]

As far as I can recall, untill now, the budgie smuggler rides have been organised for training and testing. In September I organised it to test whether I can do the half ironman triathlon I competed in October. Last weekend, it was to test whether my tour team is comfy in them. But smugglers has had a lot of fun and recommended me that it doesn't have to be only for testing, and must be organised once in a while just for fun.

I dislike this "if I can't have fun, no one else should have fun too" attitude that has come across in this poll. I can only say, rather than try express that you dislike someone having fun, why not join them?

Besides your concerns that such rides may threaten the stereotype of a cyclist or a club rider are based on stereotyping in first place. Anyone who has done a bit of swimming wouldn't mind drafting behind a swimmer in sluggos. Why it becomes unpleasant on bike? Haven't heard anyone fuss about those club cyclists who wear translucent knicks that you can see through their bum crack. Well, on Saturday's ride, the bunch didn't have any problem in riding with the bunch. But if there are lot of you who do not want to ride with the smugglers, then we can split the bunch. We anyway shouldn't ride in a bunch of more than 20 cyclists inii?

[weiyun]

I dislike this "if I can't have fun, no one else should have fun too" attitude that has come across in this poll. I can only say, rather than try express that you dislike someone having fun, why not join them?

So why do you assume everyone in the club see the wearing of Budgie Smuggler as being fun, or care to participate?

Further, I don't think anyone is stopping you and your associates from having fun, but the majority in the poll just don't want to be associated with it under the club umbrella. So how about try to have your fun in private and not antagonise others who joined DHBC with different expectations to your?

[orphic]

G, your refusal to accept and respect the opinions and wishes of your fellow club members is quite frustrating. I think that people have been quite accomodating of yours - no one has told you that you cannot wear the attire, they have simply said they would not ride with you in such circumstances.

Do you really want to be responsible for bunches being split up and negativity that surrounds such an action? All because you want to advertise, or be noticed, or 'have fun' as you put it? Your idea of fun may be different to others, and there needs to be a level of respect for that when being part of a group such as this.

[geoff m]

OK guys. Everyone cool it.

Its not the right 'forum' to have these conversations on the "Public Forum".

We must remember that Forums supplement and facilitate discussion for members of the club. This Forum does not run the club. Views of a few, or a group, will always be relevant, but do not represent club policy.

One strength this club has which others don't is diversity of members, a variety of skill levels, different kind of bicycles and hugely diverse interests. We try to accommodate as much of this as possible and be tolerant. We also need to be practical, do our best to meet minimum standards of safety, be respectful, and meet umbrella organisation rules and standards. Its all a very fine balancing act.

If you feel strongly about this issue in anyway, feel free to email me on gandtmartin at hotmail dot com by 10th January 2010 (I will take my email address down after this date to avoid the 'bots') and I can take it to the club executive to consider all these issues and come up with a clear approach.

This Forum Thread is officially closed.

[Stuart]

If you feel strongly about this issue in anyway, feel free to email me on gandtmartin at hotmail dot com by 10th January 2010 (I will take my email address down after this date to avoid the 'bots')

If you want to post your email address in future I would recommend the fill in the blanks approach e.g.

gandtmartin at hotmail dot com

I've also locked the thread.

[weiyun]

Testing... At one stage, our thread lock didn't work.

[Stuart]

Testing... At one stage, our thread lock didn't work.

Only not locked for mods like you and me Weiyun. If I use Jo's login then I get "This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies."

[weiyun]

Thanks for the confirmation. Works a little differently to other forums I've modded.