Get ready to register for Ken Dinnerville race 29th 9am!

[geoff m]

This race will be booked out in about 30 mins. For first time racers this is the one to register in.

http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/default.asp?Page=45732

Quiz. What's the significance of 2005???? Who was he?

[rhys]

Going to try get an entry for this.

[mikesbytes]

Quiz. What's the significance of 2005???? Who was he?

I'll keep my mouth shut

[Lizanne]

DHBC'er rode off the front from the first bunch and won!
shamefull handicaping

oh where do i go to enter... i don't have an entry on the cycling nsw site

[rhys]

Sorted.

[MarkL]

I'm going to miss this one , I'll be away

Sent from my HTC Incredible S using Tapatalk

[Strawburger]

entered

Update: 80 entered in the first 5 mins!

[Timbo]

Am in. After 10 attempts.

[mikesbytes]

Can't see it, have I missed it?

[Strawburger]

still spots left (about 40). did you hit refresh? Looking at 26th May?

[mikesbytes]

I'm in, its still there

[AndrewBurns]

I'm in, gave up on the online system and after about 10 redials I got them on the phone, seems like a pretty shoddily run system to be honest...

[geoff m]

I'm in. Almost no spots left

[andrewm]

I'm in - first road race.....

Must have lucked out with the online system - worked perfectly first time

Anyone paying with Commbank cards? Apparently there EFPTOS system is down - maybe that was it?.....

[Strawburger]

Anyone paying with Commbank cards? Apparently there EFPTOS system is down - maybe that was it?.....

yep, i paid with commbank cards. no troubles

[mikesbytes]

I paid with Commbank card too

[shrubb face]

I tried entering 8 times, from 9am till 9.25. I rang up and was then told it was full.

I hate cycling nsw (replace hate with other 4 letter words). Im moving to Europe.

[Dougie]

phoned also. it filled in 13 minutes

[Lizanne]

oh no alex!

did you get put on the waiting list? if it's anything like last year ppl will be pulling out.

and don't move to europe. who will keep the pace line going smooth @ the track

and i'm in... don't know how i feel about it though

[Simon Llewellyn]

It's a shame they can't create as much hype about entering any other CNSW event. Imagine how popular the sport would be.

[Mikejnr]

I tried entering 8 times, from 9am till 9.25. I rang up and was then told it was full.

I hate cycling nsw (replace hate with other 4 letter words). Im moving to Europe.

At least you can login to the online system. I sent them an email about it and the reply was

"If you continue to have this issues logging in, please download a manual entry form from our website and forward it through to michael at michael.buckingham@*********.org.au"

So if I wanted to enter the Dinnerville i would need a time machine and an envelope.

[Karzie]

I tried entering 8 times, from 9am till 9.25. I rang up and was then told it was full.

I hate cycling nsw (replace hate with other 4 letter words). Im moving to Europe.

Similar experience. I'm moving to South America.

[weiyun]

I tried entering 8 times, from 9am till 9.25. I rang up and was then told it was full.

Sounds like the registration system opened at 8am, so no surprise it's all gone by 9am.

Now, keep an eye on eBay. Ken Dinnerville entry will get bid sky high!

[Timbo]

It took me 10 tries from 9 to about 9.05 to get in. For some reason it kept knocking back my Westpac card. It'd be easier to get Radiohead tickets.

[kiwiames]

damn i forgot to enter.
Oh well.

[Strawburger]

I kept hitting the F5 button (reload page) from about 8:58 to 9:00am. The event didn't pop up until bang on 9am.

[Hung]

I couldn't log on as Cycling NSW didn't update my rec lic to a racing one

so

I just called them after 9.00am and Andrew took my details to register
- happy days

then I called Cycling Australia to ask why my details haven't been updated and 2 minutes later I got a conformation email saying a new card will be re-issued and Margaret from Cycling Aust will contact Cycling NSW to make sure

[T-Bone]

I tried once and then went back to work.

[mikesbytes]

Entry was full at 9.13am

[AndrewBurns]

So now that I've entered what exactly am I in for?

I know that it's 90 km done as several laps of a course in Dapto but I don't really know the race, course or how it's run.

- It's handicapped but does everyone start at the same time and place? Will the DHBC group all ride out together or if we have different handicaps would that split us up?
- What's the average speed for such a race? So far I've only ridden criteriums which are super fast but short.
- What are the climbs in the course like? I have a compact crank and an 11-25 cassette on my race wheels, would I need to swap that to my 13-29 cassette?
- Do you generally carry spare tubes etc? For the crits we're not allowed to but I'd imagine for a long race like this one it might be wise to carry at least a spare tube and some CO2.
- Is it any good for spectators? My parents were thinking about going down to watch.

[weiyun]

Do a search. There's been one discussion thread each past year and you'll be able to find out a lot through them.

[mikesbytes]

The climb is not that difficult, the difficulty is ensuring you are not dropped on the hill

[wallman]

Andrew, in answer to your questions:
- Riders will be split into a number of groups, probably about 12, based on their supposed ability. The slowest group will leave first, the fastest last. Gaps between groups vary depending on group size. We tend to drive down to the race. The start is in the carpark so there's no need to ride anywhere beforehand although you'll want to warm up because...
- Handicaps are hard races. Theoretically you should be riding flat out for the duration of the race. You'll certainly start hard anyway. The intent is to catch all the groups in front of you without being caught by the groups behind. Once you've caught all the front groups you can start to think about sitting in and sprinting for the win but till then it's sort of a moot strategy. With that said there'll be people sitting in in your group from kilometer 0. Average speed will depend upon your group and whether you get caught by a faster group or not, but for the middle bunches it will be around 40 km/hr.
- The course is rolling. The climb is not hard in training in a granny gear but is hard at race pace when you've been riding flat out for 70 kms, been up it twice already, have been caught by scratch and are trying to go over it 39/14. Context is everything, as with any climb. Your cassette will be fine.
- That's up to the individual. The road surface is terrible and if you flat at the back-end of the course you're a long way from home. A saddlebag isn't a bad idea.
- Quite a number of people set up at the top of the hill, I think it's called Marshall Mount. There'll be plenty of Flanders flags there and if you know those Classics then you'll know the type of climb it is. It's a short steep climb approaching from one side and a long shallow climb approaching from the other so it's good viewing there.

So now that I've entered what exactly am I in for?

I know that it's 90 km done as several laps of a course in Dapto but I don't really know the race, course or how it's run.

- It's handicapped but does everyone start at the same time and place? Will the DHBC group all ride out together or if we have different handicaps would that split us up?
- What's the average speed for such a race? So far I've only ridden criteriums which are super fast but short.
- What are the climbs in the course like? I have a compact crank and an 11-25 cassette on my race wheels, would I need to swap that to my 13-29 cassette?
- Do you generally carry spare tubes etc? For the crits we're not allowed to but I'd imagine for a long race like this one it might be wise to carry at least a spare tube and some CO2.
- Is it any good for spectators? My parents were thinking about going down to watch.

[rhys]

I got in on this too. I'm looking forward to it though I have an awful lot to do in the meantime.

[Hung]

Just out of curiosity

do you stop for nature breaks or do you get your team mates and go eurostyle ?

and being my first road race of such a distance is it similar to doing waterfall and back or am I kidding myself

[Lizanne]

naw you do the nervous pee before the race, and I thought it was like waterfall (last year was my first ever road race), but it totally isn’t. There are no traffic lights, the extra 10k is a killer, and it’s game on the whole time. It’s a hard race, but oh so much fun

[mikesbytes]

Hung, its like doing Waterfall without stopping. 2 water bottles and a some energy gels are all you need.

[rhys]

Here are some tips for beginners I learned from the internet and hanging out at Cheeky.
Tape your energy gels to the top tube and set your Garmin for 15 minute alerts. This reminds you to eat and drink and let's everyone around you know how on top of things you are. Relieve yourself as you ride along - mid pack, no one will care, its only yellow water really. A sleeveless jersey will also help you look experienced, but the sign of a true pro is some compression calf socks. You might have to execute a bike change throughout the race due to your zipp 1080s are too wind effected, so write your race number on your arms with big black nikko.

Hopefully this is of some use to you guys.

[Hung]

I was gonna go to the tanning salon with my kit on from now to then
and on the day of the race pull them up 1/2 an inch to show how euro pro I am

[Lizanne]

rhys, it sounds like you'r reading tri info... you'd look like a real git if you did that in a bike race

[patn]

Nah lizanne, thats how macca does it. great advice!

[patn]

oh and rhys for ken dinnerville terrain i'd go firecrest 808 rear and 404 front over 1080s to minimise weight. ive heard their almost as aero but save 0.73 grams weight per wheel. i heard thats what the raelarts are planning...

[Mikejnr]

oh and rhys for ken dinnerville terrain i'd go firecrest 808 rear and 404 front over 1080s to minimise weight. ive heard their almost as aero but save 0.73 grams weight per wheel. i heard thats what the raelarts are planning...

Don't forget the full Aussie national kit.

[mikesbytes]

Wow look at that list, we have done well in such a short entry window

Elite
BURNS, Andrew
DE SOUSA, Danny
EDWARDS, Rhys
EMILSEN, Adrian
WALLMAN, Matthew
WILMOT, Lizanne

M1
BJARNOE, Taylor

M2
BERRY, Simon
STEPHENS, Tim
TSALLAS, Nick

M3
HUYNH, Hung
MATTES, Andrew

M4
MARTIN, Geoff

M5
CLEMENT, Michael

As I'm the oldest rider, I'm assuming I'll be off limit

[Lizanne]

i'm planning on a bright and early (i'm thinking first tain out) train ride down to dapto to do hill repeats. i wanna do every gear i have and find which one i like the best. i only have 15 of my gears working and a few in the big ring are just not gonna happen, so maybe 10 the great big hill.

if this sounds like a fun saturday, you'r more than welcome to join.

otherwise, Adrian and I will be going one saturday later in april, when he's free.

[AndrewBurns]

I'm interested but incapable unless my replacement buckles for my shoes arrive before then, they should be here by tomorrow as I ordered them nearly 2 weeks ago now but we will see...

[Lizanne]

train leaves wolli creek @ 5:30 saturday morning. i'll be leaving my place 5:20 ish to buy a ticket and get to the platform

[mikesbytes]

Andrew, I can lend you some shoes in your size

[AndrewBurns]

Mike, thanks but I have some very special magic heel wedging and cleat shimming stuff happening with my shoes that I don't want to disturb. Doesn't matter anyway, just tried my shoes on again and although one of the buckles is broken it still works, just the nice little lever part that's snapped off.

5:20 am ugh I'd have to leave my house around 4:50 at the latest assuming I drive to Wolli Creek. How fast do people go up this hill anyway? Any idea of gradients and speeds?

[rhys]

Where would you be meeting there Lizanne? I might drive down and meet you at Dapto high school, we could do a reccy of the whole course one time if someone knows the route?

I can't do this saturday as I'm a fair bit off a decent level of fitness, and I would like to be in good form for a realistic approach to the course. I also have other stuff on. Good idea though.

[weiyun]

Why do you guys need to go all the way out to Dapto to do hill repeats? The stiff hill is around 40m in elevation change. And given the repeated rolling hills on that course, loops of RNP would provide equal if not better training. As for recon, there'll be 3 laps of the course and nothing too much happens on the first two. By then, you'll be sufficiently familiar with it and be ready to "die" on the last run up it - If you are still around.

http://www.strava.com/rides/ken-dinnerv ... 011-644491

[Lizanne]

i have nothing to do on saturday, and i like it out there.

plus i want to ride the course a few times so i know where the turns and pot holes are. then i want to be able to see landmarks on the hill and figure out when and where i can push for the KOM, without totally burning myself out.

@ rhys, i'l be leaving my place, cnr of the princess hwy and brodie spark drive, and then riding 500m to the train station.
you doing the ride tomorrow in centenial, we can chat about when a better time will be good for you.

[christian]

I agree with Weiyun, I see no point in riding the actual course. Its a terrible road surface. Its not a matter of learning where the pot holes are more like where they are not, I like to describe this course as every now and again you'll hit a smooth patch.

[weiyun]

Apart from pot holes, you'll also collect a quantifiable amount of cow dung along the way. It's just not the first choice for a weekend training ride.

[shrubb face]

There seems to be a lot of people taking this race very seriously....... You'll reassess your priorities whilst your trying to hold onto the back of scratch.

[Lizanne]

this is the only road race i enter. so i might as well give it a good go.

BTW does anyone have a small (48cm) carbon road bike with race wheels i can borrow?
and should i go jersey or skinsuit?

[christian]

Don't wear a skin suit, its not a TT so you'll look like a fool. You use your race wheels at this race if you don't like them and want to buy some new ones, read previous post about the terrible surface. If you're running clinchers then I'd go a slightly lower tyre pressure like 90 or 100psi, it'll make the ride much nicer.

[Lizanne]

and do i go the short white socks, or the mid length ones?

[mikesbytes]

mid length adds weight

If your got enough riders for your training ride, it would be worthwhile doing a paceline while your there.

BTW I don't give a S*** about what people think of what I'm wearing, so I'm exempt from christian's comment, which is correct

[Lizanne]

pink sunnies or black? and does the weight make a difference? because the pink ones are lighter but the back ones match the kit better...

[weiyun]

pink sunnies or black? and does the weight make a difference? because the pink ones are lighter but the back ones match the kit better...

The pink one will keep your fellow riders entertained and they will less likely to want to drop you. So pink it should be!

[rhys]

BTW does anyone have a small (48cm) carbon road bike with race wheels i can borrow?

As luck would have it, I have six. Would you also like to borrow my Lambourghini?

[mikesbytes]

Might get my nails done again

[Lizanne]

As luck would have it, I have six. Would you also like to borrow my Lambourghini?

do you have anything with super record? and can i just borrow the motor?

[Eleri]

this is the only road race i enter. so i might as well give it a good go.

BTW does anyone have a small (48cm) carbon road bike with race wheels i can borrow?
and should i go jersey or skinsuit?

I have a lightweight steel one with a set of Zipps. Oh that's right, you won't ride a bike with 650s even though it's exactly the right size for you.

[AndrewBurns]

Going to have to give Dapto a miss, way too much to do around the house for me to be riding all weekend I'll go the next time people go down though.

[mikesbytes]

Hey Strawbuger, any chance I can arrive in style?

[rhys]

Might get my nails done again

Hey, eyes on the road pal!

[Strawburger]

Hey Strawbuger, any chance I can arrive in style?

if the car is registered and finished then yes, indeed we can drive down in style

[Lizanne]

oh ya,

would i be able to grab a lift for both me and my bike?

[AndrewBurns]

Urgh turns out I might have something else on that weekend and I don't know which to go to :S

[Strawburger]

Any ideas on when the handicaps will be published? Just checked the cnsw website and nothing has been posted yet

[Lizanne]

ya, lots of talk on rides this week about it...
but no word

anyone have a spare spot in a car???

[Strawburger]

i was about 10 min too early on that last post!

Handicaps

[Lizanne]

looks like a party in group 9!

[Strawburger]

I'll bring the lollies if you bring the fizzy drink!

[Lizanne]

can we have fairy bread too?

[Strawburger]

Adrian can bring the fairy bread. Geoff can bring the sparklers, who's going to bring the jumping castle though?

[Strawburger]

Summary of Handicaps

Bunch 5 8:30 mins (Limit + 21:30 mins)
WALLMAN, Matthew Elite Men Dulwich Hill BC

Bunch 7 14:00 mins (Limit + 16:00 mins)
CLEMENT, Michael MMAS5 Dulwich Hill BC

Bunch 8 17:30 mins (Limit + 12:30 mins)
EDWARDS, Rhys Elite Men Dulwich Hill BC
STEPHENS, Tim MMAS2 Dulwich Hill BC

Bunch 9 22:30 mins (Limit + 7:30 mins)
BERRY, Simon MMAS2 Dulwich Hill BC
BJARNOE, Taylor MMAS1 Dulwich Hill BC
BURNS, Andrew Elite Men Dulwich Hill BC
DE SOUSA, Danny Elite Men Dulwich Hill BC
EMILSEN, Adrian Elite Men Dulwich Hill BC
MARTIN, Geoff MMAS4 Dulwich Hill BC
WILMOT, Lizanne Elite Women Dulwich Hill BC

Bunch 10 30:00 mins (Limit + 0 mins)
HUYNH, Hung MMAS3 Dulwich Hill BC
MATTES, Andrew MMAS3 Dulwich Hill BC
TSALLAS, Nick MMAS2 Dulwich Hill BC

[Timbo]

I won't be doing any burgling this year then! Anyone know, roughly, what the average speed will be for bunch 8?

[Timbo]

I just answered my own question. Going on last year's times, it'll be about 39km/h for bunch 8.

[kiwiames]

No more crusing as you did last yeah Tim. I was in the bunch your in now last year, it was also the winning bunch. Good luck!

[mikesbytes]

Compared to last year

Name - 2012 - 2011
WALLMAN, Matthew Elite Men Dulwich Hill BC - Bunch 5 8:30 mins (Limit + 21:30 mins) - 9 mins (Limit + 21 mins)
CLEMENT, Michael MMAS5 Dulwich Hill BC - Bunch 7 14:00 mins (Limit + 16:00 mins) - 14:30 mins (Limit + 15:30 mins)
STEPHENS, Tim MMAS2 Dulwich Hill BC - Bunch 8 17:30 mins (Limit + 12:30 mins) - Limit 30 mins (0 mins)
BERRY, Simon MMAS2 Dulwich Hill BC - Bunch 9 22:30 mins (Limit + 7:30 mins) - 23 mins (Limit + 7 mins)
MARTIN, Geoff MMAS4 Dulwich Hill BC - Bunch 9 22:30 mins (Limit + 7:30 mins) - 23 mins (Limit + 7 mins)
WILMOT, Lizanne Elite Women Dulwich Hill BC - Bunch 9 22:30 mins (Limit + 7:30 mins) - Limit 30 mins (0 mins)
TSALLAS, Nick MMAS2 Dulwich Hill BC - Bunch 10 30:00 mins (Limit + 0 mins) - Limit 30 mins (0 mins)

[MarkL]

My feet are getting twitchy with this race talk

I wish you all good hard racing and good luck!

Sent from my HTC Incredible S

[Timbo]

Thanks Amy, thanks Mark. Being in bunch 10 last year actually meant a lot of work up front because it was such a small group. Hopefully I can sit in the middle of bunch 8 this year and be dragged along by the train!

[orphic]

Word on the street is that the new roundabout on the finishing straight is sketch bag. Be careful dudes, and most of all have fun!

[mikesbytes]

I'm putting my money on Strawbuger to be the first DHBC rider home

[taybellz]

Who is that in real life?

[Timbo]

It's Simon! I'm certainly glad we'll be in the same bunch. Hopefully our fixie legs will get us both home at the front.

[Hung]

I'm putting my money on Strawbuger to be the first DHBC rider home

I'm putting my money on Hung for the first DHBC rider to get dropped on the first hill

btw

race starts at 10.00am
what time is everybody rocking up to sign in ?

[Lizanne]

I'm jumping on a train at 6:45 from my place. that will get me in at 8:30. That will leave me time for a pre ride feed and coffee, followed by a warm up ride.

[taybellz]

Are you sure they have coffee in Dapto?

[Karzie]

Are you sure they have coffee in Dapto?

Of course they do. You can get Nescafe as well as Pablo!

[taybellz]

Race report.

Started well in bunch 9 despite dragging along a fair amount of bludgers.

Didn't make it over Marshal Mount the third time and retired from race. Disappointing performance but am happy that I know where I have to work on.

The only issue is how?

Always next time.

[Timbo]

In lieu of a detailed race report (the duty to do this falls to Adrian as the best placed DHBC rider!) here are the club results:

First of all the finish order:

http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/site/cycl ... 0order.pdf

Place 16 Adrian EMILSEN GROUP 9 (7:30 handicap) Time: 2:22:37
Place 53 Matthew WALLMAN GROUP 5 (21:30 handicap) Time: 2:11:21
Place 67 Tim STEPHENS GROUP 8 (12:30 handicap) Time: 2:20:23
Place 101 Michael CLEMENT GROUP 7 (16:00 handicap) Time: 2:21:45
Place 113 Simon BERRY GROUP 9 (7:30 handicap) Time: 2:33:06
Place 115 Geoff MARTIN GROUP 9 (7:30 handicap) Time: 2:46:09

Then the individual times:

http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/site/cycl ... 0order.pdf

Place 40 Matthew WALLMAN GROUP 5 (21:30 handicap) Time: 2:11:21
Place 86 Tim STEPHENS GROUP 8 (12:30 handicap) Time: 2:20:23
Place 89 Michael CLEMENT GROUP 7 (16:00 handicap) Time: 2:21:45
Place 91 Adrian EMILSEN GROUP 9 (7:30 handicap) Time: 2:22:37
Place 113 Simon BERRY GROUP 9 (7:30 handicap) Time: 2:33:06
Place 115 Geoff MARTIN GROUP 9 (7:30 handicap) Time: 2:46:09

And here are the finish photos (there is a great one of Geoff in the second who looks exceptionally relaxed!):

http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/site/cycl ... to%201.jpg

http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/site/cycl ... to%202.jpg

You will need to zoom right in then scroll across.

[Strawburger]

My race report: Started ok, group worked poorly except for a handful of DHCC & ICC riders keeping it together. On cresting the 2nd hill climb I tried to form a selection with Adrian & Taylor to shed the bludgers but the ICC riders slowed it back down. Worth a try. Found myself at the back of the bunch on the 3rd lap decent just as group 7/8 caught us. I tried to hang on and did until the turn around point at the school when i took the wrong line exiting the school and it was race over. That was not the reason for the drop though, i was feeling like junk pretty much the entire race except for the 3 climbs. Didn't really bother trying to latch onto the other bunches, i was shot. Congrats to Adrian! Very strong riding and looked comfortable throughout the race.

And here are the finish photos (there is a great one of Geoff in the second who looks exceptionally relaxed!):
http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/site/cycl ... to%202.jpg
You will need to zoom right in then scroll across.

If you want to see a man in all sorts, scroll across 2 from Geoff. I'm pretty sure he's having his 3rd spew for the day.

[Lizanne]

Things i learnt on sunday
1. I hate road races. they are too long
2. the hills i have been doing really paid off.
3. It's hard work when half the bunch slacks off
4. I need to manage my asthma better
5. I need to do it again next year... and not get dropped

Bring on the track season

[Hung]

things I learnt on Sunday

1) someone owes me money as I was the first DHBC rider to get dropped on first hill
2) other riders don't really want to chit chat while racing
3) A month off the bike ( due to injurys of course ) prior to the race does not help
4) remember to yell out EASE UP when your on your limit
5) actually do 90km training rides and not 50km ones and think she'll be right

[kiwiames]

Whats this ? the Excuse list?

NSW open racing is a major step up from riding Waterfall with the club.

You know that now

[Hung]

Whats this ? the Excuse list?

NSW open racing is a major step up from riding Waterfall with the club.

You know that now

at the 60km mark I was looking for the 7-eleven to refill my bottle and have a nature break but realised I was at dapto not sutherland then I Saw Taylor and Nic and decided it was a good idea to roll back with them so in a way it was like waterfall