RAW Track 2012

[Artson]

RAW 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b01P-_a ... e=youtu.be


Cheers

[timyone]

I was just coming on to post this, I don't think I'm riding this year, but any one that wants to race on the track should check it out.

[Eleri]

Yay! I'm riding RAW. I even have a skinsuit.

[Lizanne]

Yes! I've been waiting for this post!

[jbcow]

too good, I'm there

[treacle]

Happy days. Or at least Friday nights.

[JoTheBuilder]

Might need to head back to the track before this starts...

[Lizanne]

See ya Wednesday Jo!

[rhys]

I'll be there for the second half of the season. This is the most fun all year on bikes, apart from the match sprinting events Crafty used to put on.

[patn]

I only got to race the first two weeks last year due to illness so am glad to be better for this year! Someone at Duncan gray the other day made a comment that everyone (especially roadies) should come and ride because it gives you practice finishing (and winning!) races 4-5 times a night! A part of a road race that's very difficult to practice, and is obviously super important! Oh yeah and crafty is hilarious and his events are always awesome!

[Toff]

I'm in. I usually miss the first couple of weeks, but I'm going to try to get there this year. Anyone know how I can get my own number for the whole series?

[rhys]

Email crafty, I think there is a small cost and he will let you know if the number is available.

[Lizanne]

lol the video has been blocked
RAW has been censored

[Trouty]

After a month in France, on a road bike, and Endless hills, I'm looking forward to getting on to Cameron (For those that don't know, that is my track bike, I can't name every bike after Cadel). See you guys there.

[taybellz]

Hello
I have never been on a track bike before.
What would I need to do to compete at this RAW? and is this comp for beginners.

I have not been able to get to the DHBC Monday or Wednesday nights due to family commitments.

I have race license, helmet but no track bike.

Thank you,
Taylor

[Adrian E]

What are the dates for RAW this year? It's strange I can find them written anywhere.
I'm in the same boat as Taylor (have licence, but no bike). There are a couple of Friday's in July in which I should be able to make it.

[Adrian E]

Cancel that. Found it here: http://www.rawtrack.com.au/index.php/topic,460.0.html
Wk Date
1 June 29
2 July 06
3 July 13
4 July 20
5 July 27
6 Aug 03
7 Aug 10
8 Aug 17
9 Aug 24
10 Aug 31
11 Sept 07
12 Sept 14

[Eleri]

Hello
I have never been on a track bike before.
What would I need to do to compete at this RAW? and is this comp for beginners.

I have not been able to get to the DHBC Monday or Wednesday nights due to family commitments.

I have race license, helmet but no track bike.

Thank you,
Taylor

Taylor, I do see some people riding on the track for the very first time in Novice grade (yes there is one) but you will have a much better time if you get in a bit of practice down at Tempe. Also, if you are hoping to borrow a bike, you are going to have to go there too and try it.

There are newbies and first time riders at RAW. They move up to E Grade after a week or so in Novice. You will find yourself riding in a grade that is below your speed and strength but you are going to have to learn some track skills. That said, there's always some young strong rider who comes in, goes up through the grades not learning any skills because they are so much faster than everyone and way off the front.

If you can get a bike sorted, and you can have a go down at Tempe I reckon you will really enjoy it.

[taybellz]

Thank El.

Who would I need to speak to in order to organise a trial at Tempe Vel for a Monday night?

[Eleri]

Alex Chubb is Track Captain and usually down there on Monday & Wednesday night. Get there earlier, say 6.30 when they are opening up. PM him probably best.

[Lizanne]

you also have to be careful about borrowing the club bikes. as they can be used by several people (mostly jr's on restricted gearing). if you borrow it for RAW on the firday, you need to pick it up at the end of training on wednesday (or organize another pick up time) and have it back for training on Monday.

or I'd suggest one of these
https://www.bikeexchange.com.au/bicycle ... /102071702
take off the breaks and you'll have something (better) than the club bikes, in you' size, and with an adult gearing!

[JoTheBuilder]

Looks like RAW has created a traffic jam at training... I don't think I've ever seen so many people at the track.

[Lizanne]

it was a big night!
good to see heaps of new people down @ the track

[Artson]

News and Information
For Week 1
Friday, June 29 1012

RAW TRACK
2012
STARTS THIS WEEK
RAW Track (Race All Winter Track) is back for 2012.



RAW TRACK Newsletter 2012 sponsored by:

http://WWW.Bicisport.com.au

First week’s Program
• Round 1 warm up Scratch
• Round 2 no race (wheel-races run at best every second week pending sponsor)
• Round 3 sprint (6 up’s over 3 laps)
• Round 4 Points Race (3 sprints)
• Round 5 Combines

Blue indicates Series Points scoring rounds

Explain these races
Sprint- RAW Track sprints are usually run as 4-6 ups over 3 laps the first few laps are usually spent sizing your opponents up and positioning yourself for the optimum explosion to the finish. It is not uncommon for a sneaky rider to attack early in the hope of holding a lead to the finish. The sprint is a test of power, speed and above all, tactics.

Point score- Riders must score points by sprinting for intermittent sprints every 5 laps for bonuses (5, 3, 2, 1 points). Lapping the field scores a bonus 20 points, consequently losing a lap to the field scores -20points. Winner of the race is the rider with the most points. Although the lapping rule is indicated in this description, at RAW track the race is generally too short to secure the lap consequently we generally don’t allow lapped riders back in.


BSCC- RAW Track Canteen
• I am delighted to announce that Bankstown Sports Cycling Club will again be hosting a Canteen at Raw
• The Canteen will provide the basics and it is hoped that it will be well supported by our riders and spectators
• Profits raised will be going towards covering costs at their Wednesday night training session which are currently running at a loss.
• Not only will we be supporting the canteen but also promoting the Wednesday Training session in a hope to turn both initiatives into profits.



Be the first to take Peter Buckingham’s challenge by asking for a double dose of the “not-4-wimps” sauce.


Rain is not a problem at the DGV
• In contrast to a lot of NSW racing over the last two months, Rain is not going to interfere with RAW Track Racing.
• Despite this, please be prepared for a chilly experience.


Points for 2012 series starts week 1
• For every week you attend you receive 10 points
• Everyone is allowed to miss 2 RAW nights without losing to many points.
• In rounds 3,and 4 top 4 place getters receive 5,3,2 and 1point respectively
• From Week 10 August 31 place getter points are doubled.


Sign-on’s and Licenses ….. Bring It!
• If this is your first RAW Track for 2012 you will need to show your license …….It is everyone’s first for 2012
• I record your license as sighted and you are fine for the season.
• Sign-on’s are in Point-score order.


Pay up front for the entire series
• This year I am offering the opportunity to pay for the whole season for the cost of 10 weeks
• The offer is available for the first two weeks only and will be adjusted by 1 week you decide to do this in week 2


Website http://www.rawtrack.com.au


Money troubles?
• If you are experiencing money troubles please do not hesitate in approaching me so we can come to an arrangement.
• I would much prefer to see you race than stay home.
• In the past I have had reduced rates for families, pensioners and uni students and maintained confidentiality.



RAW TRACK 2012 ….Bring It!

[rhys]

Due to un-forseen circumstances, I WILL be able to attend this friday. Though I have a problem - I seem to no longer be in possession of the brass fitting that aids in inflating a rear disc wheel. Does someone have one I can borrow for Friday night? I would appreciate it.

[shrubb face]

Yea sure. Ill bring one along.

[Lizanne]

lol @ rhys.

you'r riding RAW with a disk

rofl

[rhys]

Thanks Chubbsie.

lol @ rhys.

you'r riding RAW with a disk

rofl

What's the big deal? RAW is serious business you know.

[Lizanne]

What's the big deal? RAW is serious business you know.

sorry my bad
*snickers*



ba-hahahahahahah

[patn]

i thought cyclists bought nice wheels to sit in a bag under your bed?

id jump at the chance to ride a nice disc at dgv! maybe if i stop eating dinner i could get one by the end of the year....

[paul]

I'm planning to give RAW a go this year.
As a novice track rider I'll admit to being a bit nervous.

This might be a silly question, but what time does it start?
I can't find this on the website.

Paul

[mikesbytes]

7pm. Good to be there around 6pm

[JoTheBuilder]

Friday afternoon traffic generally means I am not there until 7 Paul. But it doesn't really disadvantage you too much unless you are hard core and need the full hour to warm up (which I do not).

[Lizanne]

you going up to div 5 this year Jo?

[JoTheBuilder]

Yes...

You better not be there!

[Lizanne]

naw they kicked me out. i'll be in div 4, kicking ass up there!

[mikesbytes]

Did you loose this? If so, I've got it

[Eleri]

Yes I did! Thanks Mike. I'll organise to pick it up on the weekend sometime.

[mikesbytes]

If I'm not around, try Toff

[NOOG]

Point score after week 1:

Div 1 riders
Mark Jewell Illawarra 20
Ben Harvey Bankstown Sports 18
Thomas Clarke Canberra 17
David Browne ** Bicisport 13
Alexander Chubb Dulwich Hill 13
Michael Popplewell Bicisport 13
John Nguyen Dulwich Hill 13
Darren Cash Sutherland 12
Sam Rutherford Sydney 12
Rick McArdle Waratah 11
Chris Hageman Dulwich Hill 11
David Och St George 11


Div2 riders
Geoff Baxter Bicisport 20
Scott Mills ** St George 18
Darryl Thorncraft Bathurst 15
Bradley Heap ** Lidcombe 15
Mark Spindler Illawarra 15
Michael Buckingham Bankstown 13
Dennis Mak Hunter Districts 13
Jack Schwarze Penrith 13
Charley Leighton Peloton 13
Michael Churchward Penrith 12
Ji Waldron Hunter Districts 12
Michael Chidgey Dulwich Hill 12
Wesley Ho St george 12
Michael Clement Dulwich Hill 11
James Fowler Dulwich Hill 11
Rilee Rosslind St George 11
George Lowe Bicisport 10
Andrew Herlihen Sutherland 10
David Moiler ** Bankstown 10
Jacob Jones Northern Syd 10
Matt Wallman Dulwich Hill 10
Connor Vernon Parramatta 10


Div 3 riders
Rob Hacker Parramatta 20
Julian Yuen Lidcombe 17
Anthony Pham Dulwich Hill 15
Rhys Edwards Dulwich Hill 15
Andrew Homann Penrith 15
Vic Svacek Bernard Rider 14
Nathan Garard Dulwich Hill 13
Steve Dole Illawarra 13
Pete Murray Hunter Dist 13
Stuart Will Lidcombe 12
Richard Measures Peloton 12
Theo Theol Eastern Sub 12
Imogen Hines St George 11
Graham Tierney Bicisport 11
Will Clark Canberra 11
Jeff Smith Penrith 11
Joanne Troutman Dulwich Hill 10
Clare Mandeno Syd Uni Velo 10
Jeff Gray Illawarra 10
Gary Cassidy Warratah 10
Kev Babakian St George 10
Joshua Sell Southern Highlands 10



Div 4 riders
Stelio Pappas Lidcombe 16
Trevor Smith Manly 16
Ben Fox Dulwich Hill 16
Rob Wright St George 15
Nick Duggan Penrith 15
Chris Harris Dulwich Hill 15
Renee Covington Bathurst 15
Nigel Apps Lidcombe 15
Trieu Le LACC 15
Nic Holton Penrith 15
Scott Simpson Sutherland 14
Lizanne Wilmot Dulwich Hill 13
Scott Spackman Penrith 13
Kurt Allen McArthur 13
Mark Greenalism ATTA 13
Tai Huynh Dulwich Hill 13
Brian Micallef Lidcombe 12
Tim O'mahony ATTA-nsw 12
Mark Yewdall LACC 12
Will Kaless Manly 12
Tom Bolton Dulwich Hill 12
Peter Rox ** Sutherland 11
Anthony New Penrith 11
Phillip Bardsley Smith Penrith 11
Mathew Hynes Randwick Botany 11
Alex Lord Penrith 11
Warren Phillips St George 10
Garrath Styles Sydney 10
David Halfpenny Lidcombe 10
Neil Land ** Bankstown 10
Laura Jones Lidcombe 10
David Jansch Bankstown 10
Jon Leighton Peloton 10
James Orton Dulwich Hill 10
Ian Watson LACC 10
Morgan Ho St George 10


Div 5 riders
Jasen Raymond Penrith 20
Matt McEwan Sutherland 16
Eleri Morgan -Thomas Dulwich Hill 15
Aurbry Hill ATTA-nsw 15
Courtney McGowan Canderra 15
Steve Morris Sutherland 13
Logan Olive Hunter Dist 13
Sari Mitrevski Illawarra 12
Patrick Whymark Central Coast 12
Dean Varndell Dulwich Hill 11
Selina Ho St George 11
Andy Galovic** Illawarra 11
Peter Buckingham Bankstown 10
Ashlee Jones Northern Syd 10
John Braighton Warratah 10
Dean Fernance Lidcombe 10
Jade Reynolds Parramatta (show Lic) 10
Jo Skinner Dulwich Hill 10
Zac Huln Southern Highlands 10





Ungraded as of Yet
Darren Lockett Southern Highlands 10
Kylee McDonald Harlequin 10
Kirk Cleaven Illawarra 10
Ann Richardson Bankstown 10
Brad Mills Syd Uni Velo 10
Paul Armishaw Dulwich Hill 10
Thomas Murray Illawarra 10
Alvaro Manorel Dulwich Hill 10
David Douglas Central Coast 10
Scott Ardon Penrith 10
Charles Dale Dulwich Hill 10
Tarence Haltin Sydney 10

[mikesbytes]

So if I read the DHBC hall of fame correctly, then Div 4 is cleaning up;
0 Ben Fox
-1 Chris Harris
-3= Lizanne Wilmot & Tai Huynh
-4 Tom Bolton
then in Div 5
-5 Eleri Morgan -Thomas

From a Division viewpoint;
0 Div4
-5= Div3 & Div5
-7 Div1
-8 Div2

[Lizanne]

and DHBC is in the lead for team points

Dulwich Hill 279
Penrith 157
Lidcombe 154
St George 119
Illawarra 101

[JoTheBuilder]

I'm disappointed they don't award points for the opening scratch races. I think that will be the only time I appear on the podium this season!

[Lizanne]

naw Jo, you'r going awesome! all the training is really showing. i recon you'll be up there; just wait a few weeks, a couple of the guys in dive 5 should be in div 4.

[T-Bone]

I believe Tom Bolton is missing some points, considering he won the points race......

[mikesbytes]

Surprised to see Penrith up there, their track division must of grown

[Artson]

Good pick up T-Bone
I have adjusted master sheet and Tom Bolton now leads Div4 outright on 17points

The changes will appear on next week’s results.

I remember why the error occurred. I was calculating the points when my wife called me (read screamed at me for the third time) to come to dinner. Somehow I lost my place when adding, oops

[NOOG]

Div 1 riders
Ben Harvey 35
Thomas Clarke 32
Mark Jewell 30
Michael Popplewell 27
David Browne ** 26
John Nguyen 26
Alexander Chubb 25
Alan Townsend 25
Matt Beazley 25
Gavin White 25
Reece Robinson 25
Darren Cash 23
Sam Rutherford 23
Rick McArdle 23
Harrison Jones 23
Josh Cornish 22
Chris Hageman 21
David Och 21
Ian Gardiner 21
Tirian McManus** 10
David Willmott 10
David Stevens 10
Timothy McMillan ** 0






Div2 riders
Geoff Baxter 35
Scott Mills ** 35
Bradley Heap ** 31
Darryl Thorncraft 30
Dennis Mak 28
Michael Churchward** 28
Ji Waldron 27
Michael Chidgey 27
Michael Buckingham 26
Mark Spindler 25
Wesley Ho 25
Nosh Mistry 25
Jack Schwarze 24
Charley Leighton 23
James Fowler 23
Anthony Brown 23
Peter O'Connor 23
Chris Murray 23
Andrew Herlihen 22
Aaron Frater 22
Andrew McLean 22
Tim Llewellyn 22
Michael Clement 21
Rilee Rosslind 21
David Moiler ** 21
Simon Llewellyn 21
George Lowe 20
Jacob Jones 20
Matt Wallman 20
Connor Vernon 20
Gary Mandy 0
Michael Kafka ** 0
Ondrej Slezak ** 0


Div 3 riders
Julian Yuen** 32
Vic Svacek 32
Rob Hacker 31
Nathan Garard 31
Anthony Pham 28
Will Clark 26
Rhys Edwards 25
Andrew Homann 25
Pete Murray 25
Hugh Gray 25
Cathrine Culvenor 25
Jim Lewis 25
Richard Measures 24
Steve Dole 23
Joshua Sell 23
Sorelle Bowman 23
Neil Land ** 23
Stuart Will 22
Theo Theol 22
Joanne Troutman 22
Imogen Hines 21
Graham Tierney 21
Jeff Smith 21
Charles D-Hay 21
Clare Mandeno 20
Jeff Gray 20
Gary Cassidy 20
Kev Babakian 20
Jamie Sell 20
Lise Benjamin 0
Emma Sprouster ** 0


Div 4 riders
Tom Bolton 37
Stelio Pappas 32
Nic Holton 32
Ben Fox 31
Nigel Apps** 31
Chris Harris 30
Courtney McGowan 30
Rob Wright 29
Kurt Allen 28
Mike Austin 28
Renee Covington 27
Trevor Smith 26
Lizanne Wilmot 26
Tai Huynh 26
Nick Duggan 25
Trieu Le 25
Brian Micallef 25
Glenn Asquith 25
Alvaro Manorel 25
Cameron Griffiths 25
Scott Simpson 24
Mark Greenaway 24
Tim O'mahony 24
Peter Rox ** 24
Scott Spackman 23
Brian Rawlinson 23
Sean Moran 23
Will Kaless 22
Mark Yewdall 22
Alex Lord 22
Garrath Styles 22
Morgan Ho 22
Anthony New 21
Phillip Bardsley Smith 21
Mathew Hynes 21
David Halfpenny** 21
Ian Watson 21
Neil Mathews 21
Todd Wheeler 21
Warren Phillips 20
Laura Jones 20
David Jansch 20
Jon Leighton 20
James Orton 20



Div 5 riders
Jasen Raymond 30
Eleri Morgan -Thomas 28
Steve Morris 28
Patrick Whymark 27
Matt McEwan 26
Dean Varndell 26
Steven Mackay 26
Aurbry Hill 25
Logan Olive 25
Brad Mills 25
Nick Whymark 25
Andy Galovic** 24
Zac Huln 23
David Douglas 23
Mark Fakhouri 23
David Cooper 23
Sari Mitrevski 22
Tarence Haltin** 22
Selina Ho 21
Dean Fernance 21
Justin Murray 21
Ashlee Jones 20
Jade Reynolds 20
Jo Skinner 20
John Braighton 20
Peter Buckingham 20



Ungraded as of Yet
Kylee McDonald 20
Darren Lockett 20
Kirk Cleaven 20
Ann Richardson 20
Sacha Sayles 20
Paul Armishaw 20
Thomas Murray 20
Tanner Covington-Gost 20
Daren Delores 20
Scott Ardon 20
Charles Dale 20
Rick Williams 20
Richard Loughian 20

[timyone]

I am beating Simon

[Artson]

What's on the menue this week at RAW



This week’s Races

• Round 1 warm up Scratch
• Round 2 No round 2 this week
• Round 3 1/2 filed sprints (12 riders max over 5 laps)
• Round 4 Poker Race
• Round 5 Combines + CNSW Time Blaster 8:36 for $100

Explain these races

Half Field scratch/sprint Your Division will be split into two heats (based on pointscore rankings). So if there are 18 riders in div 2 there will be two heats each containing 9 riders. The race is run under standard scratch race rules. At only 1.25km in length this race is considered more like a sprint than a scratch race.


Poker Race- ran on the same rules as the Point'a'Lap race however, instead of earning points you earn cards. On your first lap win you a card, on any additional point won you receive an extra card. The winner of the race is the rider who has the highest ranked card Ace Hearts being the highest and 2 of Spades the lowest. Don't worry you don't have to carry the cards with you, we keep them on the desk.

[Artson]

News and Information
For Series 10
2012
For Week 8
Aug 17 2012

RAW Track Newsletter 2012 sponsored by:

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Important notice: Fat-Mans Wheel Race has been Postponed 2 weeks to Aug 31

Week 8 Bring it!



Feature Race
The ZeroFive 1.5km Wheel Race
• This week’s feature race will be the ZeroFive 1.5km wheel-race in Round 2
• Riders finishing in the top 4 of the warm up scratch race from Div 1-4 will qualify
• In the event of a division being split, the top two of each heat will qualify
Handicaps:
• Div 1 = 0m
• Div 2 = 80m-90m
• Div 3 = 135m-145m
• Div 4 = 200- 210m


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This week’s Races
• Round 1 warm up Scratch
• Round 2 The Zerofive 1.5km Wheel race
• Round 3 Div 1 – 4 Italian Pursuit (Div 5= ½ field sprint)
• Round 4 Group Handicaps
• Round 5 Round 5 Combines + “CNSW Time Blaster”


Explain these races

Italian Pursuit- this team event combines riders of all standards to form two teams at opposite sides of the track. Team captains organise their team so as the slowest riders are at the front of the train. After the end of each lap, the leading rider pulls off completely, leaving the next to fight the wind. Therefore, the first rider has to do one lap, the second, two laps, and the last rider completes as many laps as in his team. Hence, the last rider typically has the best endurance. The pace of this race is continuously building and lead often changes hands between the opposing teams, until the final two riders are left to decide the race. If the handicapper does a good job this can be without a doubt one of the most exciting races as the excitement builds with the pace.

Group Handicap- This is a scratch race over 10 -15 laps however your starting position will be allocated by the race organiser. You will either start on the front straight or the back straight dependent on my belief of your ability (and maybe other factors). The race will be started with a whistle and the riders on the back straight will need to catch the lead riders in order to secure a place.

Video’s to watch
• Example Italian Pursuit : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyNGKZewm2c
• Example Italian Pursuit from 2nd last wheel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZt4GawuJV8



Italian Pursuit Procedure
• The Italian pursuits will be for div 4 to div 1
• The teams will be allocated at the sign on desk.
• As you sign on you will be allocated a team name (you can not choose your team)
• Make sure you know your team # name when signing on.
• In the event of uneven riders the 2nd lead rider of the smaller team will do two laps
• The team captain will be the rider highest on point-score
• It will be a fence start on the whistle
• The lead rider will do two laps, all other riders will do one lap.
• Members of the wining team receive 3 points
• Don’t forget to cheer on your team after you have finished your turn.

Italian Team# - Name - Captains
• Team 1 = Wiggins = Ben Harvey
• Team 2 = Vinokourov = Josh Cornish
• Team 3 = Evans = David Browne
• Team 4 = Voeckler = Popplewell
• Team 5 = Froome = John Nguyen
• Team 6 = Sanchez = Harrison Jones
• Team 7 = Sagen = Daren Cash
• Team 8 = Cavendish = Alex Chubb
• Reserve Team captain = next available highest on Point Score
• Team captains do not have to ride anchor
• First Race is off is Team Cav (Chubb) Vs Team Sagan (Cash)

The no catch rule.
• At RAW track we have a no catch rule in Italian Pursuits.
• That is that; no team is to close within 50m of the opposing team.
• Instead the lead rider should maintain a tempo equal to that of the other team @ a 50m gap
• This rule is void when we get to 4 riders per team remaining at this point a catch is allowed.




CNSW Time Blaster


• This week is the third week for the “CNSW Time Blaster”
• The Time Blaster is worth $200
• The Time to beat this week is 8min 39 seconds




Point Score info

Last week’s top scorers

Team Blue =20 points
Team Red = 18 points
Team Yellow = 16 points
Team Orange = 14 points
Team Purple = 12 points
Team Green = 11 points

TWE Wheels Division leaders



• Div 1 Ben Harvey 100 points
• Div 2 Scott Mills 110 points
• Div 3 Nathan Garard 105 points
• Div 4 Nigel Apps 108 points
• Div 5 Ian Docherty 105 points


Teams/Clubs Challenge



1 Dulwich Hill 2137
2 Lidcombe 1232
3 Penrith 1186
4 St George 1128
5 Hunter Districts 871
6 Central Coast 711
7 Illawarra 659
8 Sutherland 619
9 ATTA nsw 518
10 Bankstown Sports 514

[Artson]

I have received an email from an anonymous LACC rider, which I read in an honest competitive nature. To sub phrase a lengthy email it states (now in point form via me)

To DHBC
• We understand by sheer numbers your club has deservedly wrapped up the 2012 Hillbrick Club Challenge. DHBC are almost double our clubs points.
• We would like to offer a challenge to DHBC which we completely understand that you most likely will not accept.
• We Challenge DHBC to an Italian pursuit with 11 riders to determine the 2012 club champions

Straight off the bat I have refused this suggestion as 100% uncool. However I would like to offer an amended proposal to DHBC.
• In week 9 as the last event of the night, DHBC challenge LACC in an eleven person Italian pursuit
• Each team must contain 2 x Juniors 2 x Women 2 x masters and the remaining 5 can be of any denomination
• If LACC win DHBC will be reduced in points to equal LACC accumulative score at the conclusion of week nine
• If DHBC win statuesque will be kept and DHBC will continue on to win the 2012 Hillbrick challenge

So why on earth would DHBC consider this challenge?
1. First off it is a challenge, so can they resist the temptation to destroy the opposition?
2. With still three weeks remaining it would not mean that DHBC would lose the series (should they lose the Italian)
3. It would revitalise the Hillbrick point score making it a more watched serries

The ball is now in DHBC’s Court. They have no solid reasons to accept this challenge, but will they?

[Chris96]

I say we accept.

Proposed Team:
Juniors: Bill and I
Masters: John and Matt
Women: Lizanne and Joanne
Others: Alex, Pat, James, Chidgey, Nathan

Thoughts?

[Karzie]

The fairer option is for the 5 others to be the best other rider in each of the grades.

[Eleri]

The race sounds like fun, but we don't have to accept the challenge really. And we can make a counter offer on the conditions.

How about Alex as Track Captain and I confer.

[Trouty]

The race sounds like fun, but we don't have to accept the challenge really. And we can make a counter offer on the conditions.

How about Alex as Track Captain and I confer.

I don't mind accepting the challenge, and Alex knows all the riders well enough to make the team - so let's do it, and in the spirit of competition - BRING IT.

However, the whole point of the Club Challenge is to get numbers to RAW to support it's racing - regardless of how good the riders are or what they can win. I suggest LACC start getting more people to RAW, as the series needs the numbers. DHBC have worked hard in getting people of all levels on their track bikes....that's why we're winning .

PSS: I think there should be a rule about not buying in "ring ins" for the race. Riders should be people that have been riding in the series. Not that I suggest LACC would ever stoop that low!

[Simon Llewellyn]

However, the whole point of the Club Challenge is to get numbers to RAW to support it's racing - regardless of how good the riders are or what they can win. I suggest LACC start getting more people to RAW, as the series needs the numbers. DHBC have worked hard in getting people of all levels on their track bikes....that's why we're winning

I think the approaches of clubs have been different over the years in the competition I clearly remember back in 2007 when Lidcombe dominated this event with an incredible dedication to juniors. It was an exciting year for NSW cycling, Lidcombe and all involved. However a year later they had done so well with their juniors that they were just about all heading to europe chasing pro careers slowly deceasing the clubs numbers at RAW. The following year Illawarra won.

It took our club a number of years to build up but we worked very hard on just encouraging riders to have fun and give RAW a go. I remember convincing you Jo on your first night it went something like this "Simon I can't do this, it's steep, banked and scary!" "Come on Jo, don't worry about it all you have do is ride around in circles it's nothing to be worried about" "But Simon I might die!" (thinking maybe you will) "Don't worry Jo even if you just show up that will earn our club 30 points, we're coming 15th but just think about that 14th spot how good would that be!" "Arrr.... I'll think about it." The next week you showed up and haven't looked back since.

[Lizanne]

I like it!
the idea is totally awesome (although a tad unfair) but it would be good to get some rivalry going! DHBC would totally smash LACC in an Italian, so BRING IT!

[Trouty]

It took our club a number of years to build up but we worked very hard on just encouraging riders to have fun and give RAW a go. I remember convincing you Jo on your first night it went something like this "Simon I can't do this, it's steep, banked and scary!" "Come on Jo, don't worry about it all you have do is ride around in circles it's nothing to be worried about" "But Simon I might die!" (thinking maybe you will) "Don't worry Jo even if you just show up that will earn our club 30 points, we're coming 15th but just think about that 14th spot how good would that be!" "Arrr.... I'll think about it." The next week you showed up and haven't looked back since.

I do remember that clearly, and I was so petriefied I don't really know to this day how you convinced me? (Comforting to know now, that back then you thought there was a possibility I could die ). However, you and and DHBC have encouraged so many more others since me to try the track. It is actually great arriving there on a Friday night and seeing our increasing numbers & cheering on all our grades and seeing how much they improve.

[rhys]

If its only open to people who have already ridden it might be fair. Otherwise, they have a fairly strong and organised road training plan with coaches, and might enter some of their road riders who are quite strong.
Maybe its one for the track captain to take up with their track captain to see if it is indeed a sentiment shared by many of their members, or if its just one member who is annoyed at seeing so much red.

[timyone]

Yeah, is it only riders who have already ridden raw this year? Will Alec carver and Richard Lang suddenly turn up?

[Chris96]

Yeah, is it only riders who have already ridden raw this year? Will Alec carver and Richard Lang suddenly turn up?

Unless LACC decide to fly Richard in from England I think that is unlikely. However I do agree that it should be only those who have ridden RAW.

[Trouty]

Unless LACC decide to fly Richard in from England I think that is unlikely. However I do agree that it should be only those who have ridden RAW.

Should we also introduce a salary cap? This could get serious. BRINT IT ON!!

[shrubb face]

I've had a bit of a think about this and a chat to some others. Whilst i realise this is obviously in good nature, i think it needs to be acknowledged by LACC that the reason that DH does so well in this competition is simply because we have manage to attract a lot of new riders to the track and kept them. It isnt as though we are simply stacking one or two lower grades with riders in an effort to win the comp.

Whilst i think we should probably accept that challenge out of fun anyway (we will most likely win ) , i think LACC should bring something to the table as an offer. As is stands at the moment DH has everything to lose and nothing to gain.....

[Bill K CX]

an asside question re RAW, what are the times on fri nights,
doors open? racing start? approx end time?
Thanks

[Chris96]

an asside question re RAW, what are the times on fri nights,
doors open? racing start? approx end time?
Thanks

Racing starts at 7:05 ends at around 9-9:30. I think doors should be open about an hour before racing starts.

[Bill K CX]

Racing starts at 7:05 ends at around 9-9:30. I think doors should be open about an hour before racing starts.

Thanks

[mikesbytes]

What would the LACC team look like?

[Chris96]

As long as the rule is only those who have ridden in RAW this year I think it is fair. And even if they win, they only go to equal points. There will still be another 3 RAW meets for us to regain the lead.

[Artson]

Hi posted in this weeks RAW news

LACC proposed a challenge to DHBC this week
• I made a modified challenge
• After this there has been much debate and proposed modifications on various forums with no real acceptance or agreement.
• DHBC are the rightful leaders in the Hillbrick club challenge through commitment to participation and will most likely continue on to be the 2012 RAW Club champions.
• Just to stir up the hornets’ nest a little! On paper DHBC had a significantly stronger team and would have most likely won the sub-fight anyway.


Oh and By the way



Congratulations Boy Wonder Tirian McManus Junior World Champion

[Eleri]

• DHBC are the rightful leaders in the Hillbrick club challenge through commitment to participation and will most likely continue on to be the 2012 RAW Club champions.

Thanks Paul. You are right, we've made RAW an important part of DHBC racing and we do get good numbers. But we also have people in the top 10 in all divisions and genuine participation. If all we were trying to do was win by stacking the numbers, then I don't think we would see that.

I'd suggest that if other clubs want to challenge us in future years, with numbers, it would be a really good thing and I welcome it.

I'm really proud that we have so many juniors coming up through the track - 15 tonight at training. And the juniors at RAW doing really well at RAW in the higher divisions.

[timyone]

I thought we accepted! I am guessing it was up to Alex Chubb to make the decision or say yes? Simon hasn't been to the track.

[Lizanne]

i recon we should race regardless, for pride!
if LACC has numbers this week, i say lets do it. if not give them one weeks notice and do it next.

[marc2131]

DHBC are on track to win this title, why jeopardise it? The only reason LACC are proposing this is because they can't beat you in the usual way.

[timyone]

The point of it for us is that it isn't just numbers though

[Eleri]

There won't be a challenge tonight.

Interesting ideas coming up in this thread on RAW forum though. What do you think?

http://www.rawtrack.com.au/index.php/topic,526.0.html

[Lizanne]

I think Stelio would look hot in one of my dresses.
i might bring one down when there is a challenge

[Toff]

I agree with others who say we should accept the challenge. However...

I propose making it an Italian Pursuit with teams of 30 riders! Haha. They'll have to get 30 riders down to the start line to compete against us. If they can't get 30 riders down to the track, they lose. But if they can get 30 riders down to the track for the Italian Pursuit, then they simply prove that their club has the numbers, and they should have the capacity to get the numbers down to RAW every week! So by accepting that amended challenge, they will have implicitly conceded that it's their club members' apathy that has cost them the teams challenge. We win either way...

[rhys]

Typical LACC household:


Typical DHBC household:

This is actually really funny. I like that most of the stuff in that thread is good-natured, everyone I've met from LACC is pretty cool.

Best of luck tonight. I won't be there as I am sick.

[patn]

I'm away for this week but am back next week - would be super keen to ride against them!

[Eleri]

I agree with others who say we should accept the challenge. However...

I propose making it an Italian Pursuit with teams of 30 riders! Haha. They'll have to get 30 riders down to the start line to compete against us. If they can't get 30 riders down to the track, they lose. But if they can get 30 riders down to the track for the Italian Pursuit, then they simply prove that their club has the numbers, and they should have the capacity to get the numbers down to RAW every week! So by accepting that amended challenge, they will have implicitly conceded that it's their club members' apathy that has cost them the teams challenge. We win either way...

Two problems I can see with this
1) don't think the fence is 30 bike lengths long
2) I only counted 23 of DHBC who have ridden RAW this year

Otherwise -

[mikesbytes]

If you allowed only 3 metres per bike, thats 90 metres per team, ie 180 meters of bikes on a 250 metre track

[rhys]

Your front/last person might be holding on in the bankings. Not ideal. Anyway, why bother with semantics when it's a moot point.

[wallman]

We're bothering with semantics now? I would never of guessed!

[Trouty]

I can see through the threads that LACC have made this challenge is all in good fun, so I think we should just race an Italian with them anyway for spirit of competition. Crafty's rules seem pretty fair and guarantee a good cross section of riders participate. Although....I haven't seen many woman from LACC race, apart from Emma Sprouster, so LACC are going to have to do some thing without depending on ring ins - and Stellios in a dress doesn't count. I think I saw one LACC girl race in the early stages of RAW?

[Lizanne]

stelio in a dress would be a great compromise... if he wears it for the rest of the season. plus jo, you can kick his ass

[Trouty]

stelio in a dress would be a great compromise... if he wears it for the rest of the season. plus jo, you can kick his ass

Not sure if I could kick Stellio's ass - possibly if he wears a dress - it might give him extra wind drag and I could stand a chance. He did a pretty convincing job overtaking the lead group in the handicap race a few weeks back. I must admit - seeing Stellios in a dress would be worth it.

[Bill K CX]

Hi all,

Here are the images of RAW Track series Fri 24th.
This is the small subset of images comprising 243 shots mostly of DHBC riders, so grab yourself a tea, cafe, or drink of your choice, click on slideshow and hope you enjoy them.

They are in lower resolution to make viewing over web easier:

• 1) Should anyone want to download any images, feel free, but a Donation to Support my fundraising effort for Ride to Conquer Cancer would be appreciated.
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Regarding any Donations, you may also donate and hide the $$ amount, or even do so anonymously if you choose. Any amount great or small is greatly appreciated and every little bit helps going to support the SunSuper Ride to Conquer Cancer at RPA Hospital.

See you all at the track Fri night at Dunc Grey, and if you are either wearing DHBC Red or a Dress your my target with the camera

Cheers
Bill

[Lizanne]

so LACC recon they have a chance

'LACC is tied with Dulwich Hill CC for the club points score, with only 4 weeks to go we need all LACC trackies (Junior through to Masters) out at RAW to help LACC take the Club Points race "
http://ymlp.com/zKP8WW

with LACC getting more points than us last week, and the week before, they seem to be making an end of the season points push.

from here it would seem we have it in the bag, but if we slack off, it might be a close race to the finish.

[Stuart]

so LACC recon they have a chance: 'LACC is tied with Dulwich Hill CC for the club points score, with only 4 weeks to go we need all LACC trackies (Junior through to Masters) out at RAW to help LACC take the Club Points race "

One suspects that their website has not been updated for some time ...

Current RAW Teams Scores:
1 Dulwich Hill 2551
2 Lidcombe 1693

http://www.rawtrack.com.au/index.php/topic,471.0.html

[Eleri]

And just so we know that we aren't just stacking the numbers, Crafty has calculated the average points per rider for the top 10 clubs.
This is the club by rank and by points per rider. I only included those that were over 70 points. We are coming 3rd in that ranking.

1.DHBC - 77.3 avg points per rider
2. Lidcombe - 70.5
3. Penrith - 79.6
7. Sutherland - 75.4
9. Bankstown Sports - 70.3
10. ATTA - 82.5
13. Bicisport - 72.9

[Lizanne]

@ Stuart, i think it's propaganda. i picked that quote off their most recent newsletter

[Eleri]

Last night of RAW track this week.

I'd like to get an updated shot of all DHBC riders in kit please! I'll organise a time and we will get everyone riding the track at the same time.

After all - we will win the Club Challenge for 2012 and we should have a picture!

So all 2012 RAW riders, please come if you can, in your club kit and be ready to get on the track at a time yet to be announced.

[Eleri]

Congratulations to everyone who rode RAW Track in 2012. Over 35 DHBC riders rode at some stage during the season which is a great effort all round.

Dulwich Hill is again, for the 4th year running, the winners of the Hillbrick Club Challenge and win a junior track bike.

Congratulations also to Tom Bolton who narrowly won Division 3 just 2 points ahead of Nathan Garard in 3rd with Vic Svacek a few points behind in 4th. Tim and Nathan had a real battle of youth v experience that went down to the wire with a couple of nail biting races on the last night.

Tai Huynh came 3rd in Division 3.

I came 4th in Division 5.

We got a group photo of the club on the track at the end of the night. Coming soon!

And nobody missed out on pizza!

[timyone]

There really was a lot of pizza this year!!

[Taibo]

a bit late to the party but some pics of Victor and I
http://tbsm.com.au/blog/?p=1610

[Eleri]

Finally! Here is the photo from the last night of RAW

[JoTheBuilder]

I was so keen for this photo and after all that you can't see me!!

[Eleri]

That's because Toff blocked you!

[JoTheBuilder]

Nah... I'm behind Rhys! I think that's Paul behind Toff...