Mudgee Road Opens - 12-13th July
Well, yet another road Open is on the way soon. This time it's Mudgee!!!
The saturday race is a 90-100km handicap (depending on where i look). I haven't been to Mudgee for a few years, but in the past it's always been a great race, not too hilly, not too flat. Not sure if the course has changed.
The Sunday race is a scratch race, and for pretty much all of us the distance will be 80km, as i don't expect anyone to be in Div 1.
Overall it looks to be an enjoyable weekend, so let me know if you're interested in coming along. Entries close on the 29th of June, so you've got a bit of time, though I notice Nick has entered already .
The saturday race is a 90-100km handicap (depending on where i look). I haven't been to Mudgee for a few years, but in the past it's always been a great race, not too hilly, not too flat. Not sure if the course has changed.
The Sunday race is a scratch race, and for pretty much all of us the distance will be 80km, as i don't expect anyone to be in Div 1.
Overall it looks to be an enjoyable weekend, so let me know if you're interested in coming along. Entries close on the 29th of June, so you've got a bit of time, though I notice Nick has entered already .
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- Simon Llewellyn
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I'll probably be in, I have unfinished business with this road thing. Is it a Saturday morning leave time? I would like to race track friday night...
Here's some more info on the course for Saturday http://www.pvgwinery.com.au/markdwyerwe ... 0Dwyer.htm and Sunday http://www.pvgwinery.com.au/markdwyerwe ... 20Race.htm
Entry cut off is 29 june not july . the more , the better , for us for hcp grading rgds nickbWell, yet another road Open is on the way soon. This time it's Mudgee!!!
The saturday race is a 90-100km handicap (depending on where i look). I haven't been to Mudgee for a few years, but in the past it's always been a great race, not too hilly, not too flat. Not sure if the course has changed.
The Sunday race is a scratch race, and for pretty much all of us the distance will be 80km, as i don't expect anyone to be in Div 1.
Overall it looks to be an enjoyable weekend, so let me know if you're interested in coming along. Entries close on the 29th of July, so you've got a bit of time, though I notice Nick has entered already .
hi everybdy who is interseted in going to Mudgee Racing
There are several good motels in town and close to ride from and after close to go out have dinner . I looked at some , best to look at web page www.visitmudgeeregion.com.au , that will show us where to stay and also the Pieter vanGant Wine at Black spring Rd Mudgee .
Lets get organized shortly ,
rgds
nickb
There are several good motels in town and close to ride from and after close to go out have dinner . I looked at some , best to look at web page www.visitmudgeeregion.com.au , that will show us where to stay and also the Pieter vanGant Wine at Black spring Rd Mudgee .
Lets get organized shortly ,
rgds
nickb
I've been reminded it's probably time to start organising accomodation, so could people confirm if they're coming along.
So far it seems to be 6 of us:
James F
Simon L
Stretch
Kieran
Nick B
William D
William, are you planning to return to Sydney on the Saturday night or Sunday morning???
I'm considering riding back to Sydney Monday and Tuesday, rather than doing my 3 day ride to Canberra, so we shouldn't have too much trouble with transport.
So far it seems to be 6 of us:
James F
Simon L
Stretch
Kieran
Nick B
William D
William, are you planning to return to Sydney on the Saturday night or Sunday morning???
I'm considering riding back to Sydney Monday and Tuesday, rather than doing my 3 day ride to Canberra, so we shouldn't have too much trouble with transport.
Huw has taken the spot in the accomodation, so if you want to come we'll have to book another room. We're booked in at Mudgee Motor Inn http://www.mudgeemotorinn.com.au/T Bone any chance of expressing interest for the accomodation?
Bill if a lifts going - are you coming back to Syd on Sunday?
How many riders go in it
Let me know if you want to come, and we can try and convince someone else as well, so you'll have someone to talk to in the motel.
Transport arrangements will be made soon, but currently i'm thinking 3 cars will do the job, Matt mentioned he may have space to give someone a lift as well, but i'm pretty sure everyone is going to fit.
Current riders list is:
James F
Stretch F
Simon L
Nick B
William D
Kieran L
Eugen S
Huw M
Matt W
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Alex was talking about racing too and I think he entered but I can't see his name on the entry list so maybe it was muswellbrook he decided on & I can't see the start list because I haven't entered yet? You'll have to ask him.
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I didn't know you were such a sucker for punishment!!!I'll give it a miss Bill - but maybe try to make the Grafton ride, perhaps.
The felicific calculus is an algorithm formulated by utilitarian philosopher Jeremy Bentham for calculating the degree or amount of pleasure that a specific action is likely to cause. Bentham, an ethical hedonist, believed the moral rightness or wrongness of an action to be a function of the amount of pleasure or pain that it produced. Thus, the felicific calculus could, in principle at least, determine the moral status of any considered act. The algorithm is also known as the utility calculus, the hedonistic calculus and the hedonic calculus.
Variables, or vectors of the pleasures and pains included in this calculation—which Bentham called "elements" or "dimensions"—were:
1. Intensity: How strong is the pleasure?
2. Duration: How long will the pleasure last?
3. Certainty or Uncertainty: How likely or unlikely is it that the pleasure will occur?
4. Propinquity or Remoteness, time distance: How soon will the pleasure occur?
5. Fecundity: The probability that the action will be followed by sensations of the same kind.
6. Purity: The probability it will not be followed by sensations of the opposite kind.
To these six, which consider the pleasures and pains within the life of a person, Bentham added a seventh element:
7. Extent: How many people will be affected?
Variables, or vectors of the pleasures and pains included in this calculation—which Bentham called "elements" or "dimensions"—were:
1. Intensity: How strong is the pleasure?
2. Duration: How long will the pleasure last?
3. Certainty or Uncertainty: How likely or unlikely is it that the pleasure will occur?
4. Propinquity or Remoteness, time distance: How soon will the pleasure occur?
5. Fecundity: The probability that the action will be followed by sensations of the same kind.
6. Purity: The probability it will not be followed by sensations of the opposite kind.
To these six, which consider the pleasures and pains within the life of a person, Bentham added a seventh element:
7. Extent: How many people will be affected?
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1. Intensity: debilitating ass soreness for up to a month
2. Duration: 8-12hrs depending on fitness and weather conditions
3. Certainty or Uncertainty: It is a sure thing
4. Propinquity or Remoteness, time distance: after about 2hrs of riding
5. Fecundity: There will certainly be relief when you get off the bike, though the bruising will remain.
6. Purity: You may get a great sense of great joy if you finish, though you may feel empty if you go through the suffering but fail to finish.
7. Extent: There is a strong possibility that all you friends and loved ones will be affected by your actions, if you fail they will have to watch you mope round the house for weeks and hear about how you could have finished if....& if you do succeed that will be left to hear you gloat for 12 months till you try again. I guess there is the chance you it will lift your confidence regardless of the outcome...
2. Duration: 8-12hrs depending on fitness and weather conditions
3. Certainty or Uncertainty: It is a sure thing
4. Propinquity or Remoteness, time distance: after about 2hrs of riding
5. Fecundity: There will certainly be relief when you get off the bike, though the bruising will remain.
6. Purity: You may get a great sense of great joy if you finish, though you may feel empty if you go through the suffering but fail to finish.
7. Extent: There is a strong possibility that all you friends and loved ones will be affected by your actions, if you fail they will have to watch you mope round the house for weeks and hear about how you could have finished if....& if you do succeed that will be left to hear you gloat for 12 months till you try again. I guess there is the chance you it will lift your confidence regardless of the outcome...
4am sounds a bit early, it's only a 3.5hr or so drive, and the race starts at 12pm. Leaving at 7am should give plenty of time, 6:30am if you're really keen.
Current plans for cars are:
Car 1
William
Nick
Geoff
Car 2
Stretch
James
Simon
Car 3
Eugen
Kieran
Huw
Huw and Kieran i'll talk to you tomorrow about meeting points to get picked up by Eugen, or you can contact him, PM me if you need his number.
Current plans for cars are:
Car 1
William
Nick
Geoff
Car 2
Stretch
James
Simon
Car 3
Eugen
Kieran
Huw
Huw and Kieran i'll talk to you tomorrow about meeting points to get picked up by Eugen, or you can contact him, PM me if you need his number.
Handicaps for Sat are up here: http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/files/Rac ... #Handicaps
And grades for Sun are up here: http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/files/Rac ... htm#Grades
I'm not sure whether to be excited or insulted about Sunday.
Matt
And grades for Sun are up here: http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/files/Rac ... htm#Grades
I'm not sure whether to be excited or insulted about Sunday.
Matt
I'm still not sure why I got graded so much higher than Simon. I mean, I haven't climbed a hill since I was sitting in the sag wagon in Wagga!
Yeah, I think you got a pretty hard handicap but its I'll probably be a good bunch to ride with if you can hang on. Warren Bennett from LACC was the guy who came second the Kegan Downes Sundowner.
I reckon Geoff also got a pretty tough handicap in the same group as Kieran.
I reckon Geoff also got a pretty tough handicap in the same group as Kieran.
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The handicapper knows me quite well from the track and knows that I'm not all that interested in road racing or haven't been in the last couple of seasons. Down at wagga he said to me 'you seem to go really well on the track but the road doesn't seem to suite you as well.' Just before he put phil up into B grade. It's not that your badly handicapped Huw it's that I am & until I start winning races they're not going to change my mark....I'm still not sure why I got graded so much higher than Simon. I mean, I haven't climbed a hill since I was sitting in the sag wagon in Wagga!
I don't think they know Huw well enough. I'm pretty happy with my handicap, far enough forward to be in a bunch working well, but not too far that it's too fast. We've got a good number in Div 3 for sunday, hopefully we can pull something out.
Also, has anyone got a spare club jersey that can be used by Kieran, need a medium.
Also, has anyone got a spare club jersey that can be used by Kieran, need a medium.
I think overall we got pretty lucky. Simon you should have a big chance with such a generous grade.
I think your bunch is the one to be in actually, perhaps I will sit in on my bunch and let you catch us, then we can pick it up a notch and keep the chasers away till the end. You should be right to outsprint anyone in your bunch.
Either way, with so many riders we should have a think about what we can do to get someone up, in both races.
I think your bunch is the one to be in actually, perhaps I will sit in on my bunch and let you catch us, then we can pick it up a notch and keep the chasers away till the end. You should be right to outsprint anyone in your bunch.
Either way, with so many riders we should have a think about what we can do to get someone up, in both races.
Well, this was a pretty good weekend.
Saturday's handicap was a mostly enjoyable trip up hill and down dale. I worked till we got caught by our chasing group perhaps midway through and then hung on along with James till a few groups caught us in the last few kilometres. This put paid to any thoughts I had of sprinting as it then proceeded to get fairly messy. Eugen pushed through well to finish with the sprint group and take DHBC line honours with James immediately behind him; I got tailed off on a 90 degree bend about 800m out and finished maybe 5 seconds behind them.
That leaves Sunday. It was pretty fresh at 9:20 a.m. in Mudgee for my first scratch race and it took me a while to get into it. There was a cast of thousands from DHBC in Div 3 but that was whittled down to Kieran, James and myself in the lead group by midway through. James just got pipped for the KOM on lap 2 before we settled into a fairly gentle uphill climb on which we all, apparently, thought about trying to get away without actually doing it. Sydney CC and I think Turramurra then put the hammer down on the front for quite a bit and we flew towards the finish before they ran out of puff and then instead of having us all in single file we were spread out across the road going into the same final bend that had killed me on Sat. James led us into it but lost his back wheel doing very well to keep himself up however lost his momentum in the process. I went then but had to brake hard as a couple of Mudgee CC lead-out men rolled off right in front of me, then went again and POWERED through on the left to take fourth.
Any sense of self-satisfaction was quickly dispelled however when I returned to the DHBC contingent standing on the finish line to have my dearly beloved ask me "Where did you come from"? Despite half a dozen DHBCers plus my girlfriend standing about 3m from where I crossed the line noone saw my effort and they thought I'd been dropped!!!
Clowns!
Saturday's handicap was a mostly enjoyable trip up hill and down dale. I worked till we got caught by our chasing group perhaps midway through and then hung on along with James till a few groups caught us in the last few kilometres. This put paid to any thoughts I had of sprinting as it then proceeded to get fairly messy. Eugen pushed through well to finish with the sprint group and take DHBC line honours with James immediately behind him; I got tailed off on a 90 degree bend about 800m out and finished maybe 5 seconds behind them.
That leaves Sunday. It was pretty fresh at 9:20 a.m. in Mudgee for my first scratch race and it took me a while to get into it. There was a cast of thousands from DHBC in Div 3 but that was whittled down to Kieran, James and myself in the lead group by midway through. James just got pipped for the KOM on lap 2 before we settled into a fairly gentle uphill climb on which we all, apparently, thought about trying to get away without actually doing it. Sydney CC and I think Turramurra then put the hammer down on the front for quite a bit and we flew towards the finish before they ran out of puff and then instead of having us all in single file we were spread out across the road going into the same final bend that had killed me on Sat. James led us into it but lost his back wheel doing very well to keep himself up however lost his momentum in the process. I went then but had to brake hard as a couple of Mudgee CC lead-out men rolled off right in front of me, then went again and POWERED through on the left to take fourth.
Any sense of self-satisfaction was quickly dispelled however when I returned to the DHBC contingent standing on the finish line to have my dearly beloved ask me "Where did you come from"? Despite half a dozen DHBCers plus my girlfriend standing about 3m from where I crossed the line noone saw my effort and they thought I'd been dropped!!!
Clowns!
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I would go out and buy a red jersey ASAP Matt if you want anybody to be able to see you in a sprint finish!!! Red stands out from about 500m's away, yellow just isn't visible at all.Any sense of self-satisfaction was quickly dispelled however when I returned to the DHBC contingent standing on the finish line to have my dearly beloved ask me "Where did you come from"? Despite half a dozen DHBCers plus my girlfriend standing about 3m from where I crossed the line noone saw my effort and they thought I'd been dropped!!!
Clowns!
But winning races isn't about admiration, if that's all your doing it for, your not going to last for very long. It's about knowing that all those Sunday mornings where you just don't want to get out of bed and you do anyway are making a difference to your fitness. And those training rides where you are in absolute agony but hang on anyway are making you stronger. The problem with admiration is that if you live off it and don't perform you will end up depressed and give up and until your winning A grade they will just increase your handicapp until you no longer win.
But that was a great ride Matt, well done! I had a feeling you would do well, you weren't the delegated captain for nothing! Shame you didn't fufill the captain's obligation and drink five beers the night before though .
Yeah Matt, and that faded greyish-yellow thing you wear is even worse!...yellow just isn't visible at all.
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