Training chit chats thread... Revelations, plans, logs etc

[Julio]

Todays ride revealed some new nicknames, Anthony is now to be known as Fat Tony and Tim LL is now to be known as Irish. oh and Julio is still julio unless you can make one up for me.

[timyone]

Well, the other day i found this site

You can watch your cycling via peer2peer, though for Qatar it looks like you'll need to install sopcast (easily done). The only problem is you can only watch live, which left me up late last night watching cyclocross.

amazing link james!!


Hey today we did the randwick hills ride, i did it fixed, and fat tony (anthony) did some big ear riding, julio just road along and pumped us up. We missed the bunch due to a flat before hand, probably lucky though, we went pretty slowly down the hills.

Tomorrow may be our first attempt at the fixie national park ride, im thinking waterfall entrence, i dont think it will be possible to do it the other way with out maybe changing down a gear or two. But yeah, this ride isnt locked in, and it will effect our track training a bit id say :S

[mikesbytes]

Go waterfall in audley out. The first part from Audley weir will be a struggle but the rest will be fine.

[T-Bone]

amazing link james!!

6 day racing is on tomorrow morning at 6am, hopefully some good action.

My legs were a still tired from last nights training, so i ended up switching the alarm off and having some more sleep before work.

[timyone]

if you have time we are doing natiuonal park in the morning, fixie is optional, but recomended

[timyone]

no fixie park in the morning anthony hasnt got time

[timyone]

Randwick training on a fixie today
Only made it half of the fast larpa to the lights section, but did a big turn before that, and I was beating a lot of people up the hills?! I let every onr past at the start of one, than was reeling them in again?! I couldn't believe it

Anthony finised his first thursday ride too

[Julio]

Tim (irish) the other day I said I saw a bunch riding past my house out towards the airport...well I found out who they are


http://www.sutherlandshirecyclingclub.o ... ining.html

Beaches Ride
Tuesday and Thursday - Each week of the Year - Depart from the Shell Service Station (Cnr Paraweena Rd) at Taren Point about 5.05am either just in front or with the tri bunch but unless they are cooking, we're off. Same as Tri Ride (See above) to Botany then Wentworth Ave, Mascot across Marourbra Rd. to Arden St. through Coogee, Clovelly, Bronte, Tamarama, Bondi beach. From here, Cashy has devised a new route up Curlewis St. Bondi to Birriga Rd Climbing through Bellvue Hill and back down onto New South Hd. Rd. and back into the cross via the old route just in time to do a turn at the front of the Calutzi bunch departing the cross at 6.20. Returns to Caringbah at 7.15.
This is a high quality ride (fast and hilly) and is not suitable if you are just starting out ! Tuesday is a hard pace with Thurs. backed off a notch.

You want k's, click onto the back of this group then either cruise over to then Randwick gates to see if we can hang onto the Randwick/Botany hills ride, or we join the Coluzzi Ride out to Cronulla and back.

[Toff]

Well, the other day i found this site

You can watch your cycling via peer2peer, though for Qatar it looks like you'll need to install sopcast (easily done). The only problem is you can only watch live, which left me up late last night watching cyclocross.

Does anyone else go to http://www.steephill.tv/

Has links to Qatar, and lots of others down the right hand side. You never rn out of links to the bike action.

[timyone]

hey might do a thing called dawn patrol on wednesday, it starts at 6 some where past north sydney thouh, s little bit of a hike to start with, but supposed to be a good little ride, at least 100km or so, mybe more for us

[Michael Chidgey]

a work friend passed this awesome spread sheet for logging all of your rides. i have been using it for a while now and it is unreal.

it shows all of your rides individually, by month and by year. The main page displays all of the information in a very simple graph which logs it against your set targets and goals. . It also keeps a running log of all expenses you have and maintenance.

http://prologcycling.wikispaces.com/

[weiyun]

Nice spreadsheet and has been around for a while. But it's incompatibility with Excel on the Mac (due to macro dependency) was a show stopper for me.

[shrubb face]

hey might do a thing called dawn patrol on wednesday, it starts at 6 some where past north sydney thouh, s little bit of a hike to start with, but supposed to be a good little ride, at least 100km or so, mybe more for us

Im in for this tim.

[Karzie]

Nice spreadsheet and has been around for a while. But it's incompatibility with Excel on the Mac (due to macro dependency) was a show stopper for me.

Boot Camp with Windows 7 .... yum

[T-Bone]

Im in for this tim.

Im pretty sure Eugen does this ride, i'm sure i could manage it if it's not raining.

[timyone]

ok, ive changed im now doing weights, and trying to ride big gears for bits so in theory i should be getting slower so any one that beats me in any thing, nice work

[othy]

Finally got myself organised enough to get to an early Randwick Bontany CC ride. Arrived way to early and did a couple of laps of the park. Saw Vic ride past, then Mark and Jo a bit later. Glad I didn't get dropped, because I had no idea where I was most of the time. Seems they went down some hills just to ride back up them.

[christian]

I guess you are talking about the hills on the way back. It does seem like they do that, but it is a good ride. I'll be back doing this ride next week.

[timyone]

hey i just realised some thing about lead outs. I know its race simulation, so in theory if you dont come out first, you dont win, but if you end up just beside the rider in front of you, then in theory they have beaten you, but you have actually dont the lead out faster than them, though i guess if your on their wheel then your supposed to, as you have a wind advantage, but every one except the first wheel has that, depending on how early second wheel takes first wheel etc, so if you are third, then second takes first early then you sit on them, and take them later, then second may have put in more effort than you. But as you go further back its more and more effort to do all this, as you have to go so wide, to taking a couple of spots from last wheel is a good effort.

But yeah, just feeling slow because i only took one place in three lead outs last night, though all my efforts ended with me above half way for a lot of the corner, and all times i was taking the rider in front of me on the strai, just didnt get them.

Yeah i know its training, but trying to put it in perspective. Either way, im sticking to the back in lead outs, or some where from third wheel onwards.

Great lead out by john last night.

[NOOG]

I'll be back doing this ride next week.

Me too. It'll be good to have a few more regular DHBC riders.

[orphic]

I wondered what you were doing there so early Tim.

Did I notice you had a backpack with you too?

[timyone]

Ok I'm reading about aerobic and anaerobic stuff for bio.
Does your body get better at anaerobic stuff if you practice it, or train it?

[mikesbytes]

What's the difference between practice and train ?

[timyone]

Lol, I don't know, I was using two words to describe it

[timyone]

Checkthis for an idea of some road training
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFwyCAYD ... r_embedded#!

[othy]

n+1, I now have a "fixie"

[mikesbytes]

n+1 LOL

What did ya get?

[othy]

n+1 LOL

What did ya get?

http://bicycles.net.au/forums/viewtopic ... 25&t=27380

[shrubb face]

yay, nicely done othy. Now stick 77 inch on and we will do waterfall.

[mikesbytes]

Nice bike Tim

yay, nicely done othy. Now stick 77 inch on and we will do waterfall.

Yeh, real men ride 77

[othy]

First commute in on it. Gearing felt a bit big at 48x16, might need a 17 for the back. Could just require a few rides to get used to though.

[mikesbytes]

It takes about 2 weeks of commuting till you get to a point where if feels natural to commute on a fixie

[Michael Chidgey]

yay we have matching fixies Tim, except mines red. i commute on 48/16 which i found is about right for me.

[mikesbytes]

I might have a 17, do you need a side or centered sprocket

How many inches is 48/16 ?

[orphic]

Yes n+1. Currently n=5. The value of n may soon increase to 6

[othy]

48x16 = 81 inches. Didn't cause me too much of an issue going up hill or starting, I could just do with a bit more spin in my day.

[mikesbytes]

I've ridden on 83 inches, got over Anzac bridge no problem but it was a chore to ride, rather than being a pleasure.

[othy]

Well finished my first commute on the 'new' bike. I found it surprisingly enjoyable, as I would consider myself someone who enjoys road more than track, and using the appropriate gears for the situation. Anzac bridge and Lilyfield Rd weren't an issue on 81 inches - I thought it would be harder but momentum is definitely on your side when climbing with a fixed gear. Riding a steel frame was also very enjoyable - very smooth ride quality. Still pretty slow cornering but that should improve with practice.

Now that I have a spare bike to ride to work, I can dress my road bike up in race livery tonight.

[fenn_paddler]

Well done on the new bike - that colnago was far too nice to commute on.

I think 80-81 inches is a good commuting gear. Over to north ryde there is a hill steeper than lilyfield rd, and I found 75 really painful riding down that hill, so I ended up on 80 and that seems about right except for days pushing into a headwind when I end up spending too much time standing on the pedals.

[jimmy]

All this talk of people riding on 80 or 81 inches for a fixie commuter are making me feel like a wimp. I converted my commuter to a single speed, and it is a 26" mountain bike. It has 1.5" slicks on it with 40/14 as the gearing. Which means I am on...

71 inches.

Gee, I'm feeling really soft right now.

James

[Rainbow]

Wow, your legs must be flying! Because you have 26" wheels, this actually makes the gear you're riding equivallent to about 67 inches in the roll out.

[mikesbytes]

Its a spin vs grind decision. I have no probs spinning on 77

[jimmy]

Wow, your legs must be flying! Because you have 26" wheels, this actually makes the gear you're riding equivallent to about 67 inches in the roll out.

I was under the impression that when talking in inches, that you are talking about the effective diameter of the rear wheel, not it's rollout.

On my road bike, my computer has a rollout distance of 2097, which is about 82.5", so on a 1:1 ratio, my rollout is 82.6", so even in my lowest gear, my rollout is 128.8".

However, if you look at effective diameter, then it is only 41", which sounds a lot more reasonable.

In relation to the inches on a my commuter, I already considered that I am on 26x1.5" tyres, so the original figure of 71" is correct.

James

[shrubb face]

http://vimeo.com/7952961

a video to inspire some people to train.

[mikesbytes]

http://vimeo.com/7952961

a video to inspire some people to train.

That's really good, I might head off to RNP right now

[weiyun]

That's really good, I might head off to RNP right now

Don't forget your lights.

[simon.sharwood]

Chain Condom.
I kid you not.
http://www.firstendurance.com.au/produc ... medium=cpc

[Anthony]

I think i found out why Michael (Clement), John and Weiyun are always listening to music on training rides.

How music can help your training.
http://www.bikeradar.com/fitness/articl ... ning-25606

[orphic]

I listen to music when I ride on my own, but at a low level so I can still hear cars etc.

The only race I would listen to music in is a mountain bike race, and I wouldn't listen to it in bunch rides.

[weiyun]

I only use one ear bud, and not of the in-ear-canal variety. When the volume is right, I find it to be fine on the road.

[mikesbytes]

I think i found out why Michael (Clement), John and Weiyun are always listening to music on training rides.

How music can help your training.
http://www.bikeradar.com/fitness/articl ... ning-25606

The music I use also dictates the cadence (on indoor spin bikes). Sometimes it tells me how fast I am riding without a speedo

[weiyun]

The music I use also dictates the cadence (on indoor spin bikes). Sometimes it tells me how fast I am riding without a speedo

Only if you don't change your gearing. Does that also mean we can attack you when you are n a slow track?

[mikesbytes]

Only if you don't change your gearing. Does that also mean we can attack you when you are n a slow track?

I can only tell on the fixie.

I'll keep the music down so you don't know when to attack

[weiyun]

I'll keep the music down so you don't know when to attack

You turn it up and you won't hear us coming!

[timyone]

i lost two kilos until now ive been putting on weight this year! i had put on 6 kilos!

[timyone]

any one done any interesting training lately? since the cold and wet about 3 months ago, i havent touched a lot of bikes, especially morning training i did a week of training for that time trial last week, but that was about it. But on an up note, i now have a gym membership, and have taken up pilates i have all these new muscles! and Anthony put me through a core strength work out, so im working towards some stomach muscles! i feel totally solid on the bike, especially in time trial sorta stuff. I dont reckon im actually getting a whole heap faster, as im not riding that much more, have been training 6 days a week, but only the track stuff, though days like today i may not even get on a bike any more than the excercise one at the gym for warm up and down :S

[mikesbytes]

Which gym did you join?

[timyone]

one in summer hill, called hips i joined because my friend was signing up for pilates, and i wanted to do it with her

[mikesbytes]

From what I've heard hips is pretty good

[timyone]

yeah i like it, theres a lot of time when theres only two peopl ein the gym during the day

[mikesbytes]

Somehow Tim I think you would love partner yoga

[timyone]

lol! well ill ask my friend if shes interested if shes in it ill be into it

[timyone]

actually ive thought that through, and dont want a partner, the teacher pushes on things that put tears in my eyes, and the girls arent getting any pain, so im assuming it would be less fun, and more pain.

[mikesbytes]

assume That's an ass out of u and me. Partner yoga is quite different.

The mechanics of girls body's is different to boy's. What you find easy they find difficult and vice versa. After a couple more weeks it will become more manageable.

[timyone]

would a flying 200 be quicker ion the aerobars? or would we just stack it? i reckon it would be more possible at tempe than dunc

[christian]

I think you would just crash. You really aren't going to get a chance to get down on them as you will be winding it up to full speed for the start, then its only 200m.

[mikesbytes]

I could do it, but I doubt I'd be any quicker

[Michael Chidgey]

Tim seems to be talking about this a lot recently.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/0 ... -injuries/

[Stuart]

ohhhh so people train do they ???

[mikesbytes]

Sleep Ride Eat Repeat

[timyone]

oh wow thanks mike for the article!
lol mike, that is actual;ly not far off my life, though theres bits of uni and dancing in it
im now nearly up to the equivellant of last years training, but instead of km's on a bike a lot of it is in the gym, so it wont actually make me faster :S but will still use up all my time and keep me single

[T-Bone]

Yesterdays training HERE

260km of suffering, and i was ready to pull the pin after really struggling up Macquarie Pass at 120km, but 2 pies seemed to save the day.

Mechanicals: 1 x broken spoke, 1 x low pressure tubeless tyre for close to 100km, before it finally gave up in Earlwood and i had to chuck a tube in.

[mikesbytes]

Link not working

"You do not have sufficient privileges to view the activity with id 48190044."

[timyone]

far out jimmy!! go son a few more of them and you two will be less than totally unprepared for the grafton

meanwhile my hopes and dreams of one day having abbs may be getting closer im losing weight at last and have lost half a kilo i know it doesnt sound like much, and im still 5 kilos heavier than when i was a roadie, but im assuming that if im losing weight while im doing all these weights it must be fat and i have sore legs too from track training!!

(yes i do wonder if i should go and actually ride a bike, as i would be on my way down to c grade soon, with my 40km a week of road training)

[T-Bone]

link should work now. I forgot to unlock it.

[timyone]

man we have to get rid of this 5 smile things?! i had to delete 4 faces from that before they would let me put it up?! i now feel that i didnt totally get across my excitement at losing my half kilo

[timyone]

far out thats some route! hey would you be interested in training with my motor bike mechanic? hes doing big rides on sundays, that go down like you did, but then end up past katoomba, or some thing like that, so would be perfect for grafton training. We cant do it this week though, we have the crit. (i cant actually come on the training though :S im normally working :S

[mikesbytes]

That's almost 3 weeks riding for me

[orphic]

I want to start doing some bigger rides. I seem to be having trouble convincing people to do it though. The problem is that I want to do them at lower efforts - like not over 75% which can be relatively slow. Did Stanwell tops the other weekend and it took over 4 hours

[timyone]

i want slow rides vic, im a maybe for a longer ride, starting after slowies coffee if your interested? john is a maybe for some sort of idea like this, but the prob is i want to go do my sitting hills, then john wants to do the three gorges, i dont know if thats the right mix for me. I just need some km's :S

[timyone]

me and anthony today got on road bikes, and road them!! crazy 80 km of centennial, mostly slow but with the odd lap time trial and hills
Its double what i normally do on the road in a week! crazy!

[Anthony]

I was pretty out of it after today's ride. Ended up eating 4 steak sandwiches and an apple when i got home and crashed out. Just woke up now. Slept from 1:30 - 6:30 :/

[timyone]

yeah, i have sore legs, some thing went right!

[shrubb face]

ive got 280kms planned for tomorrow and 120ish planned for thursday. Will let everyone know how it goes.

[timyone]

awww i have uni all day or id try and come

[T-Bone]

Should have let me know about the 280kms, but i've been trying to catch up on sleep, so maybe it's best i didn't go.

[orphic]

I need to do some km's on the fixie and I never seem to make it to a Waterfall ride these days.

Anyone wanna do an early Friday AM fixed ride? Maybe to LaPa out via Botany Bay and back via Maroubra or something? It can be called Fixie Friday

[shrubb face]

well i got just less than 200kms done, about 7 hours on the bike, almost all of it climbing. Feeling pretty sore now.

[mikesbytes]

I need to do some km's on the fixie and I never seem to make it to a Waterfall ride these days.

Anyone wanna do an early Friday AM fixed ride? Maybe to LaPa out via Botany Bay and back via Maroubra or something? It can be called Fixie Friday

What time?

[Rainbow]

What time?

Ooooo, can I come along and we ride at a nice slow pace? I am not very experienced at riding my fixie on the road...

[mikesbytes]

I'm not fussed by pace, whatever everyone wants to ride. I haven't been out fixed for some time.

Early start

[timyone]

well i got just less than 200kms done, about 7 hours on the bike, almost all of it climbing. Feeling pretty sore now.

i see.. keep pushing son! in the grafton last year the first 80 km was so slow that we kept riding off the front by accident!

[mikesbytes]

i see.. keep pushing son! in the grafton last year the first 80 km was so slow that we kept riding off the front by accident!

So I should get to the hill without being dropped

[timyone]

yeah, if its like last year youll get to the hill with out feeling like you have ridden 80km?! if i was going, id put in a solo break away, and just get the first two sprints!

[mikesbytes]

yeah, if its like last year youll get to the hill with out feeling like you have ridden 80km?! if i was going, id put in a solo break away, and just get the first two sprints!

Where are the first 2 sprints?

[mikesbytes]

Fixie Friday

If no one turns up at my place by 6am, I'll go to the gym instead

[T-Bone]

Don't ride off the front in Grafton or you'll pay for it later on.

[timyone]

yeah i would just be doing it not worrying about the rest of the race

[orphic]

Sorry Mike, Fixie Friday appears to be off...

[timyone]

lol, i cant do it either way, but yeah, if your riding a fixie to train for the fixie ride, you probably need to go and ride either up hills or down hills, or just on a really long ride, i dont think just riding any where flat would make a massive diff, unless you do it really fast, like maybe the thursday morning ride with randwick, though you dont need to be that fast.

The name fixie friday does make a good name for a ride if you are looking for some thing thats just about riding fixies for the fun of it, and aiming to drink coffee, or kill each other on bikes or some thing like that though.